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P.O. Box 466

Edgefield, SC 29824

(c) Jack Neal Lott

Jack Neal Lott Department Store

529 Calhoun Street

Johnston, SC 29832

(d) Mrs. Larry Vann

Rt. 1, Box 49

Trenton, SC 29847

(e) J. Andrew Livingston, CPA

505 Academy Street

Johnston, SC 29832

30. She is seeking the position of Public Service Commissioner for the Third District.

MR. COUICK: If you could give Ms. Hammond your driver's license and your voter registration certificate.
MR. JORDAN: Sure.
MR. COUICK: And if -- prior to taking your seat, if you would raise your right hand and I'll swear you in.
LEWIS E. JORDAN, having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
MR. JORDAN - EXAMINATION BY MR. COUICK:
Q. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Jordan's license indicates that he lives at 102 Lakeside Court, Clemson, South Carolina. His voter registration certificate indicates the same area. Mr. Jordan, now that, I believe, is in Pickens County?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Mr. Chairman, staff has had an opportunity to review Mr. Jordan's credit report and also the report of SLED checking into criminal and civil judgements. Both were negative in that there were no entries made.

Mr. Jordan, have you had an opportunity to review your Personal Data Questionnaire Summary that was prepared by staff to see if it's correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are there any corrections that you would like to make?
A. No.
Q. Do you have any objection to that being made part of the permanent record?
A. Certainly not.

It's a chance for me to serve, again being military, we moved every three to five years and you step back and you start a new job, you look at things and you'll notice in my Bio, I retired from the Air Force in '85. I went into real estate. That's very successful, but you start looking for things to do to be of service, I'm involved in service organizations, all kinds of service organizations. It's just another step, another chance to use whatever talents I have.
Q. You indicate on your Personal Data Questionnaire that you're not a director or officer in any business or enterprise. I take it that you're an employee of the Foothills Real Estate?
A. That's right. I'm an independent contractor.
Q. And you continue to serve in that capacity now?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Would you continue to serve in that capacity if you were to be elected to the Public Service Commission?
A. That is -- what I plan to do with that is to devote myself entirely to this position.
Q. What are one or two issues confronting the Public Service Commission that you would think would need your immediate attention or the immediate attention of the commissioners were you to be elected?
A. One of the things that -- I moved down -- we moved back to Clemson in '81 when I ran the ROTC Detachment and moving down from Washington DC and the PEPCO (phonetic) and VEPCO (phonetic) area up in there and when I moved back down to South Carolina, it was very nice to see some of the rates we have on utilities, quite a pleasant surprise and a good feature, and to see how well they run them.

I see right now, though, that within the next few years, I see the Information Superhighway coming on and hitting us full bore. I think that within the next couple of years, we're going -- we, the people of South Carolina, are going to have some real decisions to make on what to do with what -- who is going to be using what part of that superhighway into

Some of those things are coming in now. The decision is going to be made as to who is going to carry those lines into our homes. Not so much the lines themselves, but the information flowed that is coming in on those channels and part of that is going to be the interactive TV, the -- those pieces that we're going to have to make some decisions on.
Q. Of those things that you just enumerated, what authority does the Public Service Commission have to regulate those things?
A. Well, we're talking basically your telephone.
But, the cable companies which we -- which the commission does not regulate still is going to have some say so in that because if the telephone lines come in and it's going to take -- start taking all of those things that we normally see in our cable and channels, then somebody is going to have some decisions to make.

We're going to have some -- I would foresee some interesting discussions among those agencies out there as to who is going to really carry that information into our homes and how is it going to be affected. I think that's something we need to look at now. We need to plan ahead because all of a sudden it's going to happen to us. We need to be ahead of it. We need to plan for that. We need to see where it's going and be ahead of that.
Q. Mr. Jordan, do you own any utility stock?
A. Not in South Carolina. I think I've got some Common Edison up in --
Q. Right.
A. Commonwealth Edison up in --
Q. Does your wife or any member of your household own any utility stocks?
A. (Witness shakes head in the negative).
Q. You mentioned your daughter, Jennifer, is a customer service representative in Charlotte. I was not sure who she worked for or what company.
A. She's with a graphics firm.
Q. But it's not utility?
A. No. No, sir.
Q. Of the experiences that you gained in the military and elsewhere, if you had to list skills that you gained that you would use well in the Public Service Commission, could you just rattle off two or three briefly that you think would be important?

I think getting that information, asking those right questions to be able to get that information out, so people can see and understand and know where you're going; setting -- another thing would be setting priorities and goals. To be able to set those out there and work toward them and know -- set those vision statements and mission statements that we need to perform well.

And I think those would be the two that have done -- otherwise, travel. I've been in some of these places and lived in other states and countries and know some of their needs or benefits and to be able to see how we can do that and do it better.
Q. All of us have natural prejudices, and I guess mine is when I see someone that was retired as a Colonel from the US Air Force, I immediately am prejudiced to think this person is a leader and maybe not a consensus person. And I don't intend to label you that way, but how do you view yourself? How do you work with people? Give me an example of working with -- you have six other commissioners to work with, how would you approach that?
A. I think you've got to pull aside -- aside up there. As a matter of fact, I was talking to one of the legislators the other day and I said, how do they use your special capabilities? Say this person is a medical doctor, do they ask you, you know, how would you do that? I think that's one of the things that we've got in each -- in each of the commissioners, you would have that expertise.

The other piece to do with that is get back down in, not hearing what -- in Columbia, but down on the level in the Duke Powers and the South Carolina Electric and Gas and maybe even those people that we don't regulate, the liquid gas people, how are we effecting you? Where is that going?

I was talking to a person the other day in the same way, I said how does that effect you, what happens if that gas line goes out a little further. If you're from the end of the gas line out, how does that effect you and the comment came back, well, they moved the gas line out this far, it cost me $15,000. Does it effect them? I see that as piece that we -- you know, the commission is not doing.

You in the Legislature -- you know, we've got to work with you. We've got to work with the people out there. We've got to work with the power companies and the utilities to be able to pull that all together. We

If you dig into the why questions deep enough, you will find what it really is and where it ought to be. I think the -- we've got some -- I was telling somebody a few minutes ago, they said something about living on the lake, you know there are some views out there that I wouldn't want anybody to block. I wouldn't want anybody to build on the other side of me, so I could see that view.

There is some -- we've got some beautiful pieces in this state and we ought to keep them beautiful. We don't always need to build things everywhere, but sometimes there is a fine line in there where you need to do things and where the state needs to step in and say we need to build there, we've got to do this to progress. I think it's -- I think that there is a balance in there somewhere that we have to look at, not only to provide the power or the utility that we need, but also to provide something for our children for the future.
Q. I think balance is the key word. Thank you, Mr. Jordan.

1. Mr. Lewis E. Jordan
Home Address: Business Address:
102 Lakeside Court 1017 Tiger Boulevard
Clemson, SC 29631 Clemson, SC 29631

2. He was born in Walterboro, SC on June 5, 1937.
Social Security Number: ***-**-****.

3. S.C. Driver's License Number: *******.
S.C. Voter Registration Number: 2 072 055.

4. He was married to Kay Smith Howell on July 27, 1958. He has three children: Lisa Kay Jordan, age 32; Lewis E. Jordan, age 30, (Captain USAF, Hurlburt Field, Fla.); Jennifer J. Lawrence, age 26, (customer service representative, Charlotte, NC).

5. Military Service: USAF, Colonel, (top secret clearance), retired in 1985.

6. He earned a B.S. from Clemson University in 1959; earned an M.B.A. from Florida State University from 1967 to 1969; earned an M.S. from Boston University from 1971 to 1973.

9. He was in the Air Force from 1959 to 1985; and has worked in sales for Foothills Real Estate from 1985 to 1993.

26. Professional Organizations: The Retired Officers Association; The Air Force Association; Tri County Board of Realtors.

27. Civic, charitable, etc. organizations: Past District Governor, Rotary; Clemson Alumni National Council; Clemson Chamber of Commerce; Elder, Clemson Presbyterian Church; Board Member, Carolina Christian Ministries; Fellowship of Christian Athletes; Oconee Mental Retardation Association; Boy Scouts, Blue Ridge Board

29. Five letters of reference:
(a) Russ Hebert
RE/MAX Foothills Real Estate
P.O. Box 111
Clemson, SC 29633
(803) 654-4345
(b) Mayor Larry Abernathy
P.O. Box 1566
Clemson, SC 29633
(803) 653-2030
(c) Colonel Al Whitley
P.O. Box 340706
Clemson, SC 29634-0705
(803) 656-3254
(d) Mr. Roy Abercrombie
P.O. Box 1268
Greenville, SC 29602
(803) 255-7000
(e) Mr. Chris Olson
P.O. Box 1633
Clemson, SC 29633
(803) 654-3683

30. Third District

MR. COUICK: Mr. Chairman, the next person is Mr. Nave. I believe he's available.
MR. NAVE: Good morning.
MR. COUICK: Please take the far left hand seat here if you would. And while you're standing if you would raise your right hand.
JOHN THOMAS NAVE, having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
MR. NAVE - EXAMINATION BY MR. COUICK:
Q. Mr. Chairman, I have Mr. Nave's driver's license. It indicates that he lives at 606 Brooklane Drive in Greenwood, South Carolina, 29646. His voter registration card indicates the same residence. Mr. Nave, that is in Greenwood County; is that correct?
A. That's correct.

Mr. Nave, what one or two important issues are before the Public Service Commission that you would be most interested in effecting?

If you were to be elected, what would you hit the ground running on?
A. Well, having been a mayor of a city for 12 years and have some little -- some experience with the utilities in that area and having seen in our community the water rates go up in some instances 75 percent because the -- well, the city -- the Public Service Commission doesn't have any control over that, it's my understanding, and I think that's something that needs to be looked at as a possibility.

And also that the city -- some cities have the -- the council has control over the CPW and some don't. And I don't know that that's a decision the Public Service Commission would make, but it would probably have

And then I think the bus -- transportation system, we do not have buses in Greenwood, but that is something that -- it would be something that has to be looked at in some of the towns that we do have it because people -- low income people generally speaking do -- have to ride buses a lot of times and I think that's something that needs to be looked at.
Q. What would be your approach to the bus problem?
A. I think you have to approach -- any problem that I have been dealing with, you've got to look at both ends of the spectrum. If you've got a company that can't make at least a fair margin of profit, then they can't stay in business. So you have to balance that, I think, with the service that they render to be sure that they do have the proper service and then to do it at an economical rate as far as they're concerned. I think it's a balancing act proposition.
Q. SCE&G currently offers a bus service in several cities in South Carolina. It in effect is a loss to that company; they do not make a profit on the bus service, but they continue to provide it under mandate of the Public Service Commission.

If you were to be elected to the Public Service Commission, would you change that policy? Would it continue to be a mandate even though it was a loss in terms of business income?
A. Well, I think you would have to look at it from the standpoint of the public need for it and whether or not that company had other areas that they were making a profit in. Now, that's not the only thing that they're in.
Q. So you would consolidate their profits and losses?
A. I think you would have to look at the need and look at it from that standpoint. I don't think you can say because you don't make a profit in every area that you're in to be able continue to the service, but I think you'd have to look at the bottom line as so many people call it to determine whether or not what the best would be.
Q. Yes, sir. Do you own any utility stock, Mr. Nave?
A. Sir?
Q. Do you own any public utility stock?
A. I don't -- no, sir, I don't own any stock at all hardly.
Q. How about your wife?
A. None.
Q. Anybody in your household own any utility stock?
A. No, sir.

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