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The Senate assembled at 11:00 A.M., the hour to which it stood adjourned and was called to order by the ACTING PRESIDENT, Senator SETZLER.

MEMBERS ATTENDING:
SENATOR WARREN GIESE
SENATOR MAGGIE WALLACE GLOVER
SENATOR ALEXANDER S. MACAULAY
SENATOR JOE WILSON
REPRESENTATIVE CURTIS B. INABINETT
REPRESENTATIVE JENNINGS G. MCABEE
REPRESENTATIVE EUGENE C. STODDARD
REPRESENTATIVE H. HOWELL CLYBORNE, JR.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THE MEETING WILL COME TO ORDER. WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENDANCE THIS MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE A PRETTY FULL AGENDA. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS WE HAVE SEVERAL UNOPPOSED CANDIDATES: THREE CANDIDATES FROM WIL LOW GRAY OPPORTUNITY SCHOOL, ONE FROM THE CITADEL, THREE CANDIDATES FOR COASTAL CAROLINA, TWO CANDIDATES FOR SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY. DO I HEAR A MOTION?
SENATOR WILSON: SO MOVE.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SECONDED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED TO WAIVE SCREENING OF UNOPPOSED CANDIDATES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, OPPOSED SAY OPPOSED; THE AYES HAVE IT. THOSE CANDIDATES ARE ROBERT D. BROWN, SEAT 10, FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, COASTAL CAROLINA; H. FRANKLIN BURROUGHS AT LARGE, SEAT 13, COASTAL CAROLINA; CATHY B. HARVIN, SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT 12, COASTAL; AND SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY GEDNEY M. HOWE, III, SEAT ONE. THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, CHARLES LEWIS, SEAT 3.
WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES FOR WIL LOU GRAY OPPORTUNITY SCHOOL: FRANK HART, ELIZABETH THRAILKILL AND CLOTILDA DIGGS.
FOR THE CITADEL WE HAVE ONE CANDIDATE, JOHN A. MCALLISTER, JR. YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN MAY BE EXCUSED.
WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONFLICTS. ONE GENTLEMAN, I BELIEVE, WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND A FUNERAL OUT OF STATE. AND ANOTHER ONE HAS A HEARING WITHIN THE BUILDING.
FIRST, WE ARE GOING IN SEQUENCE BUT FOR THESE TWO REQUESTS WE ARE GOING WITH THE SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT 11, TWO YEAR TERM, FRED F. DUBARD, JR., FROM FLORENCE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE, MR. DUBARD, AND LET ME SWEAR YOU. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT IN THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
MR. DUBARD: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU. MR. DUBARD, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION OR OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. DUBARD: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. DUBARD: NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. DUBARD: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS GENTLEMAN?
SENATOR WILSON: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THIS IS A QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL PERSONS WHO COME FORWARD, AND I DON'T EXPECT A LONG, LENGTHY RESPONSE WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE HAVE HERE, BUT A GREAT CONCERN I HAVE, IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT IN SOUTH CAROLINA WE HAVE A VERY LOW GRADUATION RATE OVER A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD IN COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA. AND IT CONCERNS ME A GREAT DEAL FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE IN SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF FOUR YEARS, MAYBE SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT. IT CONCERNS ME FOR THEIR PARENTS AND CONCERNS ME FOR THE TAXPAYERS. I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN EFFICIENT WAY TO INCREASE THE F.T.E.'S OF A COLLEGE AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR VIEW WOULD BE TOWARD ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. DUBARD: I THINK ONCE SOMEONE GETS INTO COLLEGE, MAKES IT TO COLLEGE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HAVE THEM MATRICULATE AND GET OUT IN A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL SAY I WILL TAKE ANOTHER COURSE AND GO OUT TO WORK, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE THEM DO THE FOUR YEARS AND GET OUT AND ENCOURAGE THAT. I DON'T THINK WE ENCOURAGE THAT NOWADAYS.
SENATOR WILSON: THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR PANEL: WE HAVE SENATOR GIESE TO MY FAR LEFT; SENATOR MACAULAY; REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE; SENATOR WILSON; REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT AND SENATOR GLOVER.
SENATOR GIESE: I WANT TO BE DESCRIBED AS BEING ON THE FAR RIGHT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THAT, SENATOR.
OUR NEXT CANDIDATE HAS TO ATTEND A FUNERAL OUT OF STATE, MR. CRAIG WALL, JR., SEAT 15, COASTAL CAROLINA. MR. WALL.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, MR. WALL?
MR. WALL: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: WITH YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. WALL: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. WALL: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. WALL: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSES OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. WALL: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY QUESTIONS?
SENATOR WILSON: MR. WALL, SAME QUESTION AS TO ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. WALL: TWO RECOMMENDATIONS: ONE, THAT WE IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF ADMISSION PROCESS SO WE ARE ADMITTING STUDENTS WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS; AND, SECOND, TO IMPROVE THE MONITORING PROCESS SO IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WE DETECT THAT EARLY AND PROVIDE THE ASSISTANCE THAT THE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS.
SENATOR GLOVER: QUESTION: IT IS PREDICTED THAT BY THE YEAR 2000 THE WORLD'S WORK FORCE WILL BE MINORITIES AND WOMEN. AND YET IN THIS STATE THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO GROUPS THAT WE DO LESS ABOUT ENCOURAGING EDUCATIONAL ASPIRATIONS FOR. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY IN THAT AREA?
MR. WALL: WE, AGAIN, DEALING WITH THE ADMISSIONS OFFICE NEED TO IDENTIFY MINORITY PROSPECTS FOR HIGHER EDUCATION AND RECRUIT THOSE PROSPECTS AND ESTABLISH PROGRAMS PERHAPS LIKE DAVIDSON COLLEGE HAS DONE WHICH IS A LEVEL LEARNING PROGRAM WHICH IDENTIFIES EIGHTH AND NINTH GRADE STUDENTS AND MOVE THEM INTO A SUMMER PROGRAM TO BETTER PREPARE THEM FOR COLLEGE.
SENATOR MACAULAY: WITH THE NEW UNIVERSITY STATUS, DO YOU ALL HAVE A PRESIDENT OR WHAT DO YOU HAVE AT THE UNIVERSITY?
MR. WALL: WE HAVE AN INTERIM CHANCELLOR, RON INGLE.
SENATOR MACAULAY: WHAT SORT OF PROCESS DO YOU PERCEIVE TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY FOR THE UNIVERSITY, DO YOU CALL THEM PRESIDENTS AT UNIVERSITIES?
MR. WALL: YES. WHEN THIS BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS ESTABLISHED IT SHOULD CREATE A SEARCH COMMITTEE WHICH SHOULD CONSIST OF TRUSTEES, FACULTY MEMBERS, STUDENTS AT COASTAL, AND BEGIN THE SEARCH PROCESS.
SENATOR MACAULAY: OUTSIDE OF THE---
MR. WALL: TO INCLUDE RON INGLE OF COURSE.
SENATOR WILSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WALL HAS MENTIONED DAVIDSON COLLEGE AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS AT DAVIDSON. IT'S AN INSTITUTION BOTH CAROLINAS CAN BE PROUD OF, AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH YOUR WORK THERE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: BACK NOW TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE. NUMERICALLY, STARTING FIRST WITH THOSE CANDIDATES FOR SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE YOU MAY RECESS YOURSELVES POSSIBLY 30 OR 40 MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THAT LONG AT LEAST BEFORE WE GET TO YOU.
DR. DUNN, I BELIEVE, IS NOT PRESENT, IS HE? I UNDERSTAND HE IS OUT OF STATE. WE NOW HAVE ELNORA SUE METZGER. IS SHE PRESENT?

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. METZGER, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, MA'AM?
MS. METZGER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. METZGER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF?
MS. METZGER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. METZGER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING POLICY OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. METZGER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE LADY?
SENATOR WILSON: SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MS. METZGER: I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ANSWERS TO THAT, A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS. MY BACKGROUND IS IN STUDENT DEVELOPMENT SO, OBVIOUSLY, IN HIGHER ED ADMINISTRATION, SO OBVIOUSLY I WOULD BE LOOKING VERY STRONGLY AT NOT ONLY ADMISSIONS BUT WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT SERVICES AND COUNSELING SERVICES WE HAD. IN ADDITION, I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS IN ENCOURAGING THE STUDENTS TO ACHIEVE COME MUCH EARLIER, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT WE TRAIN OUR TEACHERS GOING INTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY TO BE SKILLED IN DEALING WITH STUDENTS AT RISK. AND I THINK ANOTHER AREA IS WORKING WITH OUR EXCELLENT TWO-YEAR TECHNICAL COLLEGES TO TRY TO COUNSEL MARGINAL STUDENTS OR STUDENTS WHO DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE BACKGROUND INTO THOSE AND DEVELOP A BETTER ARTICULATION PROGRAM SO THAT THEY DO COME THROUGH, AND WHEN THEY HIT THE FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE THEY'RE READY TO COMPETE WITH THEIR PEERS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: MY QUESTION IS WITH STATE ALLOCATED FUNDS TO STATE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES CONSTANTLY DECREASING, WHAT IN YOUR OPINION DO YOU BRING TO THE BOARD THAT COULD HELP SORT OF BRING LEVERAGE TO THAT SITUATION?
MS. METZGER: WELL, I AM VERY MUCH A PROPONENT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION -- WELL, PLURALIST EDUCATION BUT PUBLIC EDUCATION -- AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOBBY AND MAKE A GOOD CASE TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR WHAT KIND OF MONEY WE DO NEED TO EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY OPERATE COLLEGES, AND AT THE SAME TIME DO A GOOD JOB OF EFFICIENTLY USING THOSE DOLLARS FOR THE HIGHEST RATE OF EFFICIENCY AND PRODUCTIVITY IN ACTUALLY DOING A QUALITY INSTITUTION.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION: 85 PERCENT OF THE WORLD'S WORK FORCE WOULD BE MINORITIES AND WOMEN. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO INSURE US BEING READY?
MS. METZGER: ONE, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IT AND WE ALL HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IT. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALSO ATTACK THE PROBLEM WHERE IT BEGINS. WITH WOMEN AND MINORITIES, MOST OF THE STUDIES COMING OUT NOW SHOW THAT THIS CHANGE IN ASPIRATIONS AND CHANGE IN ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND SELF-ESTEEM PROBLEMS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT AT A LOWER LEVEL LIKE PRETEENS, 9 AND 11 YEARS OLD, EARLY TEEN YEARS. I THINK THROUGH BETTER TEACHER TRAINING YOU CAN GET TO A LOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS, AND I THINK THERE ARE KINDS OF OUTREACH PROBLEMS THAT INSTITUTIONS CAN DO TO HELP GET INDUSTRY SUPPORT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR PRODUCTS FOR THEIR LABOR FORCE, AND SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO, I THINK THEY HAVE A STAKE IN HELPING US DO A GOOD JOB.
SENATOR GIESE: CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE: EARLY ON YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT PEAKED MY INTEREST ABOUT COUNSELING AND STUDENT SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE DRAGS WE HAVE, CERTAINLY IN HIGHER EDUCATION TODAY BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR EFFORTS SEEM TO BE SPOONFEEDING, HERE IS A LITTLE GAME THAT YOU CAN PLAY AND HERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THIS AND WE HAVE TAKEN AWAY -- I JUST HATE TO THINK THAT -- HISTORY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DECIDED THEY WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL AND BUCKLED DOWN WITH THEIR WORK AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE SPOONFEEDING THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AND YOU SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDE THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE TEACHER EDUCATION. THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGING TEACHER EDUCATION SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T BEEN SATISFIED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. SO SOME OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED ON THIS SIDE THAT 85 PERCENT OF OUR WORK FORCE IS MINORITIES AND WOMEN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY SOMEPLACE IS GOING TO SUFFER, BUT TELL ME DO YOU THINK WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH COUNSELING AND CHANGING THE TEACHING FOCUS AND SO ON?
MS. METZGER: I DON'T THINK WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH ANY ONE THING BUT MY NOTION OF COUNSELING AND SUPPORT SERVICES APPARENTLY IS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, AND I AM NOT SURE WHAT CURRENTLY -- BUT MY PRESENT EXPERIENCE AND MY EXPERIENCE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS BEEN AT THE MEDICAL UNIVERSITY AND OF A SELECTIVE ADMISSION INSTITUTION. PRIOR TO THAT MY WORK IN STUDENT DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS I NEVER SAW THE SPOONFEEDING, BECAUSE THE OBJECTIVE IS TO BRING STUDENTS UP TO SPEED AND GIVE THEM THE SKILLS SO THEY CAN PERFORM THE REQUIRED WORK.
SENATOR GIESE: THAT IS WHAT SCHOOLS ARE FOR RIGHT NOW, TO EDUCATE. DEFINE SUPPORT SERVICES THAT YOU SAY THAT I DESCRIBED AS SPOONFEEDING.
MS. METZGER: WELL, STUDENTS DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT STUDY SKILLS. IF STUDENTS HAVE INSUFFICIENT STUDY SKILLS IN SOME AREAS, YOU HELP THEM ACQUIRE THOSE STUDY SKILLS; YOU DON'T DO THE WORK FOR THEM. YOU HELP THEM ACQUIRE THE SKILLS TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO MEET THE STANDARDS.
SENATOR GIESE: IN THE 12 YEARS THEY HAVE GONE TO SCHOOL IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IT REALLY AMAZES ME THAT 30 SOME PERCENT OF THE COLLEGE STUDENTS NEED TO HAVE REMEDIAL WORK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE WORK IN HIGH SCHOOL. SO WE PAY FOR IT TWICE. WE PAY FOR IT IN HIGH SCHOOL AND PAY FOR IT AGAIN IN THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU ARE MENTIONING?
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
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS CLARK PARKER, MYRTLE BEACH.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE. DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. PARKER: I DO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING THE BOARD IN YOUR FULL CAPACITY?
MR. PARKER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. PARKER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. PARKER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING POLICY OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. PARKER: I AM NOT ON AN ELECTED BOARD; I AM ON AN APPOINTED BOARD FOR HORRY COUNTY HIGHER EDUCATION COMMISSION WHICH I WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: YOU INTEND TO DO THAT IF ELECTED?
MR. PARKER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY QUESTIONS.
SENATOR WILSON: YOUR POSITION ON A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE BEING ENCOURAGED?
MR. PARKER: DEFINITELY. I THINK TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WOULD BE TO RAISE THE ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS TO BRING UP ACADEMIC STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE WE GET QUALITY, COMPETENT, CAPABLE STUDENTS IN THAT PROGRAM.
SENATOR WILSON: WHAT ABOUT ADVISING AS TO COURSE SCHEDULES THAT WOULD LEAD TO A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE RATHER THAN AN EIGHT-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. PARKER: I THINK A LOT OF TIMES SOME STUDENTS, AS YOU KNOW, START IN ONE AREA AND CHANGE DIRECTION AND LOSE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE UNAVOIDABLE IN SOME CASES, BUT I THINK ONCE THAT PERSON MAKES UP THEIR MIND TO GET A DEGREE IN WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE COUNSELED THAT IS THE AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE CONCENTRATED ON AND GO AFTER IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS OVERNIGHT.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. PARKER: YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WOMEN, I THINK WHAT CAN I DO?
SENATOR GLOVER: MINORITIES AND WOMEN.
MR. PARKER: ON THE WOMEN SIDE IS THAT I HAVE STAFF OF NINE AND EIGHT ARE WOMEN THAT I EMPLOY IN OUR FIRM AND WE DO HAVE, I THINK, AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS TO BRING EQUALITY AND INFORMATION UP. WE HAVE SOME QUALITY FOLKS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, BLACK, WHITE, OR WHATEVER THEY ARE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THEM ARE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THAT COMPLETES FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. NEXT WE GO TO SEAT TWO. JAMES J. JOHNSON OF CONWAY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. JOHNSON: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. JOHNSON, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO THE ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. JOHNSON: I CAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. JOHNSON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSES OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. JOHNSON: NO, SIR.
SENATOR WILSON: FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. JOHNSON: I CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE IT. I AM THE FATHER OF FOUR DAUGHTERS WHO ALL HAVE BEEN TO COLLEGES AND GRADUATE SCHOOLS AND LAW SCHOOLS AND I KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO SEND THEM, AND I THINK IF THEY COULD GET THROUGH IN FOUR YEARS IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING FOR A LOT OF THEM. I DO RECOGNIZE STUDENTS DO CHANGE THEIR CAREER PATHS IN THE COURSE OF THEIR COLLEGE EDUCATION. IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WOULD ENCOURAGE IT. I THINK AN INSTITUTION CAN DO LOT TO ENCOURAGE THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE. I MUST TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE THE YEAR HER HIGH SCHOOL CLASS HAD HER TENTH ANNIVERSARY. SHE WAS A CHILD THAT COULDN'T TAKE A FULL COLLEGE LOAD AT A TIME. I ALSO TELL YOU OF THE FOUR DAUGHTERS SHE PERFORMED THE BEST IN THE WORK FORCE AND ENDED UP WITH THE BEST JOB, SO IT'S A TWO-EDGED SWORD THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATES, AND I THINK INSTITUTIONS CAN DO THAT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
SENATOR WILSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS ON FOUR DAUGHTERS. I HAVE FOUR SONS, SO YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO ME.
MR. JOHNSON: SENATOR BUD LONG WAS BRAGGING ONE YEAR THAT HE, EX-SENATOR, THAT HE HAD PAID FOR COLLEGE TUITION FOR SOME 35 YEARS, AND I TOPPED HIM. I HAD 37.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. JOHNSON: HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE FEMALE POPULATION. I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE THEM. SOME OF MY DAUGHTERS ARE IN PROFESSIONS AND PERFORMING VERY, VERY WELL, SO THERE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR FEMALES, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE IT. AND IN THE AREA WHERE COASTAL CAROLINA IS THERE IS A PARTICULAR POPULATION BASE. I THINK THE INSTITUTION NEEDS TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS FOR MINORITIES BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF MINORITY STUDENTS OUT THERE THAT CAN PERFORM SUCCESSFULLY AND ARE GREAT CONTRIBUTORS WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I THINK THE RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE INSTITUTION TO ENCOURAGE IT, AND I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
SENATOR MACAULAY: MR. JOHNSON, AS I ASKED ONE OR TWO OF THE OTHERS, I AM INTERESTED IN HOW UNIVERSITIES, NEW UNIVERSITIES, FIND NEW PRESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT?
MR. JOHNSON: FORTUNATELY -- I GUESS FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE BEEN ON TWO SEARCH COMMITTEES AT COASTAL CAROLINA COLLEGE ALREADY. WHEN DR. M. SINGLETON STEPPED DOWN AND WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS. DR. HOLDERMAN AT THAT TIME APPOINTED A COMMITTEE, AND I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND WHEN THAT PRESIDENT LEFT, I WAS ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO FIND A SECOND CHANCELLOR. SO I HAVE SERVED ON TWO SUCH COMMITTEES. I WOULD SAY A NATIONAL SEARCH FOR THE PRESIDENT OF COASTAL CAROLINA UNIVERSITY, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BEGIN AS SOON AS THIS BOARD IS SEATED. I THINK THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF APPLICANTS, TOO.
SENATOR MACAULAY: YOU DO SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ADJUNCT CAMPUS OF ANOTHER INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING AND A UNIVERSITY?
MR. JOHNSON: ABSOLUTELY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: NEXT WE HAVE ROBERT D. WILSON FROM GEORGETOWN.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. WILSON, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. WILSON: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SIR, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. WILSON: I WOULD BE ABLE TO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. WILSON: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, EITHER PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. WILSON: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITIONS OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE A DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. WILSON: NO, SIR.
SENATOR WILSON: YOUR POSITION ON A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. WILSON: I THINK THE PRIMARY INTEREST THAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE A STRONGER OUTREACH PROGRAM TO THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE INSTITUTION, THE UNIVERSITY. I THINK THAT GREATER CONTACT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL WOULD START TO PREPARE THOSE STUDENTS FOR A MORE VIGOROUS ACTION WHILE THEY'RE AT THE UNIVERSITY. I THINK THERE IS NO GOOD ANSWER FOR SOLVING ONE OF THE MAJOR OBSTACLES TO A FOUR-YEAR DEGREE AND THAT IS OF COURSE FUNDING AND FINANCING.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
SENATOR MACAULAY: MR. WILSON, HOW DO YOU SEE FINDING A PRESIDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY?
MR. WILSON: I HAVE BEEN AT FOUR MAJOR INSTITUTIONS AND ALL OF THOSE HAVE APPROACHED IT CONSISTENTLY THROUGH A NATIONAL SEARCH, APPOINTMENT OF A SEARCH COMMITTEE COMPOSED OF A BOARD OF TRUSTEES OR REGENTS, WHATEVER THEIR CASE MAY BE, FACULTY, AND NOT ONLY FACULTY BUT ALSO STUDENT AND OR OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN HIGHER EDUCATION.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. WILSON: I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN MY CAREER AS A DEVELOPER OF COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE FACILITIES AREA AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY AND AT WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY AND BUILDING A NEW CAMPUS FOR UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AT FLINT, AND MOST RECENTLY DOING MASTER PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WITH UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT GREENSBORO AS A CONSULTANT, AND WHILE AT WESLEYAN IN THE SEVENTIES, I DID A LOT OF WORK IN BRINGING MINORITY PARTICIPATION INTO THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND DESIGNING OF FACILITIES PROGRAMS AT THE UNIVERSITIES. I FEEL THE SAME INTEREST IN SUPPORT OF MINORITY AND WOMEN PARTICIPATION AND SUPPORT STRUCTURES AT THE INSTITUTION ARE IMPORTANT IN THAT PROCESS; BUT, AGAIN, I FEEL WE NEED A MUCH STRONGER OUTREACH PROGRAM TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND EVEN TO THE PRIMARY GRADE LEVEL TO CREATE THE AURA OF ATTAINMENT OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND BRING IT CLOSER TO THE STUDENTS THROUGH THE OUTREACH PROGRAMS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THAT COMPLETES THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. NOW WE GO TO THE SECOND. SEAT THREE, TWO-YEAR TERM. FIRST WE HAVE CRAIG GARNER, JR., FROM COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. GARNER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. GARNER, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ABLE TO SERVE AND ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. GARNER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. GARNER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. GARNER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT, IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD, WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE A DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. GARNER: NO, SIR.
SENATOR WILSON: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE.
MR. GARNER: AS A PARENT OF A SON WHO IS JUST GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE NEXT WEEK, I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF GETTING DONE IN FOUR YEARS IF YOU CAN DO IT A ON A FULL TIME BASIS. I KNOW A NUMBER OF STUDENTS DO HAVE TO WORK TO COVER THE FINANCES. I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE THAT IN ACCOUNT, BUT AS A GENERAL RULE I THINK WE SHOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE.
SENATOR GLOVER: THE SAME QUESTION.
MR. GARNER: YES, MA'AM. YOUR QUESTION, FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS I HAVE DONE ALUMNI RECRUITING FOR MY COLLEGE AND WE STARTED OFF MAKING AN EFFORT TO GET WOMEN AND MINORITY STUDENTS INTERESTED IN OUR SCHOOL AND WHAT WE ENCOUNTERED INITIALLY WAS TRYING TO SELL THEM AND IMPROVE THEIR SELF-IMAGE SOMEWHAT, BUT WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED VERY HAPPILY IS THAT ONCE WE GOT GOOD STUDENTS IN SCHOOL THEY BECAME VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT SCHOOL AND HAVE BECOME BETTER SALESMEN THAN ANY OF US ALUMNI EVER WERE, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD PUSH TO DO VERY MUCH BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED TO BALANCE THE POPULATION OF THE SCHOOL AND RECOGNIZE SINCE COASTAL IS A SCHOOL THAT'S VERY SUPPORTED BY THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT LOCAL COMMUNITY DOES HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF MINORITIES AND WOMEN THAT SHOULD BE ATTENDED TO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE ORAN P. SMITH OF COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. SMITH, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH?
MR. SMITH: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. SMITH: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE A DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. SMITH: NO, I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. SMITH: WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS QUESTION SO WE HAVE A LITTLE ADVANTAGE, I GUESS, BUT, SENATOR, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, AND ONE THING WE CAN DO IS ELECT MORE MAGGIE GLOVERS TO THE SENATE AND HOUSE. IF WE CAN SHOW IN A PUBLIC WAY THAT BLACKS AND WOMEN CAN ACHIEVE GREAT THINGS IN THIS STATE THAT IS A MESSAGE TO BE SENT, AND THE REASON IS I THINK THERE IS A MENTALITY AMONG BLACKS AND WOMEN THAT IS BEING ENCOURAGED BY LOT OF GUIDANCE COUNSELORS -- SENATOR GIESE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GUIDANCE COUNSELORS -- WELL, YOU ARE A WOMAN, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO CERTAIN PROFESSIONS, AND THEY ARE CHANNELED INTO THESE PROFESSIONS AND OTHER DOORS ARE NOT EVEN PRESENTED TO THEM SO THEY DON'T EVER TRY THE DOORS, AND I THINK THAT STARTS AT A VERY LOW LEVEL FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL UP TO TRAIN WOMEN AND MINORITIES AND MINORITY WOMEN, BOTH, THAT THE WORLD IS WIDE OPEN TO THEM AND THEY CAN ACHIEVE ANYTHING THEY CHOOSE TO A ACHIEVE.
SENATOR WILSON: MR. SMITH, YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. SMITH: SENATOR, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY STRONG TACTICS THAT CAN BE TAKEN. ONE IS TO CUT OFF THE MONEY. STUDENT LOANS IN THIS STATE ARE SUCH THAT YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH GO FOREVER AND KEEP DEFERRING YOUR STUDENT LOAN PAYMENT. IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU BETTER GET OUT OF SCHOOL AND START TO EARN THE WAGES TO PAY YOUR MONEY BACK THAT YOU BORROWED, THAT IS A VERY STRONG ENCOURAGEMENT TO FINISH WORK. ANOTHER IS THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ADMINISTRATORS CAN DO, CERTAIN ACADEMIC REGULATIONS, THAT YOU MUST MAINTAIN A CERTAIN GPR OR GPA TO CONTINUE IN SCHOOL, AND IF THOSE LEVELS ARE ADEQUATE IT SHOULD ENCOURAGE A STUDENT TO CONTINUE IN SCHOOL ONLY IF THEIR GRADES ALLOW THEM TO DO SO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE SEAT FOUR, SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, LYNN ADAMS GRIEB FROM GILBERT.

MS. GRIEB: I HAVE SOME SHEETS TO PASS AROUND (HANDING OUT SHEETS TO MEMBERS.)
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS TRUE SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. GRIEB: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MA'AM, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. GRIEB: YES, SIR, I COULD
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MS. GRIEB: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. GRIEB: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE A DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. GRIEB: YOU HAVE SAID THAT, BUT THAT HEAVY SOUTHERN ACCENT---
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HOLD ANY POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE A DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. GRIEB: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MS. GRIEB: THE DIFFERENT ANSWERS WE HAVE HEARD WERE ALL TRUE. IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED PROBLEM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THE OLD CLICHE OF RAISING CONSCIOUSNESS IS TRULY THE KEY FOR MINORITIES AND FOR WOMEN AND FOR MEN AS WELL TO REALIZE THAT THEY CAN PROCEED TO DO SOMETHING, SO THAT ALL OF US AS WE GO FORTH AS ROLE MODELS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SAY IF THEY COULD DO IT, I CAN DO IT AND THEN IF WE ENCOURAGE AS WE GO ALONG WE NEED TO WIDEN THEIR PERSPECTIVES, TO PLAY UP THE POSITIVE ROLE MODELS AS WE LOOK AROUND AND SEE THEM IN OUR LEGISLATURE, IN OUR STATE, AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE, AND PLANT THAT SEED OF HOPE IN EMPOWERMENT, SO IF PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO IT, THEN THEY HAVE THE DESIRE TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
SENATOR WILSON: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION IN REGARD TO ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MS. GRIEB: I THINK THAT IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. I JUST HAVE HAD TWO SONS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH COLLEGE AND IT'S A MAJOR EXPENSE. AS WE LOOK AT OUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET DIFFERENT RATES OF PASSAGE BECAUSE OF THE STANDARDS DIFFERENT SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO HAVE AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE IN THE SCHOOLS IF WE ARE GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE OR EXCLUSIVE. WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH SCHOOLS, AND IF WE WANT TO HELP ASSIST THOSE PEOPLE, THEN LOANS AND GRANTS ARE POSSIBILITIES. IF PEOPLE ARE TAKING LONGER THAN FOUR YEARS BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO TAKE REMEDIAL COURSES, THEN THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY COME TO SCHOOL. IF THEY ARE CHANGING MAJORS THEN THAT AGAIN IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT REASON, SO IT RATHER DEPENDS UPON THE SCHOOL AND THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SCHOOL AS HOW YOU WOULD -- IN SOME CASES I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SO BAD IF THEY TAKE FIVE OR SIX YEARS IF WE ACTUALLY GET THEM THROUGH IF THEY ARE WORKING AND TAKING LESSER LOADS ALONG THE WAY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS JAMES F. KANE OF COLUMBIA. I UNDERSTAND HE IS OUT OF STATE, SO WE GO TO WALTER P. WITHERSPOON, DR. WITHERSPOON, OF WEST COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS TRUE SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. WITHERSPOON: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. WITHERSPOON: I CAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF TO PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
DR. WITHERSPOON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. WITHERSPOON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. WITHERSPOON: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: NOW AS A COLLEGE TRUSTEE WHAT WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE COASTAL TO DO ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION?
DR. WITHERSPOON: I THINK WE HAVE TO, AS FAR AS THE UNIVERSITY IS CONCERNED WE HAVE TO DO A GOOD JOB P.R.-WISE AND OTHERWISE AROUND THE STATE AS FAR AS SELLING THE UNIVERSITY AND WHY IT'S A GREAT UNIVERSITY, AND ALSO AS FAR AS LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW IT'S AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY SITUATION FOR ALL PEOPLE AND THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM AS GOOD OF AN EDUCATION AS ANYWHERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND THAT WE WILL DO A GOOD JOB AND THEY WILL BE A CREDIT TO THE WORK FORCE.
SENATOR WILSON: DOCTOR, WE ARE ALWAYS GLAD TO HAVE YOU COME VISIT US AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, AND OF COURSE THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON HOW TO ENCOURAGE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
DR. WITHERSPOON: AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW I HAVE A 20 YEAR DAUGHTER WHO IS IN SCHOOL AT THIS TIME. WHEN SHE STARTED I TOLD HER SHE HAD FOUR YEARS, THE MONEY WOULD RUN OUT SOON, AND SHE COULDN'T GO BEYOND THAT POINT UNLESS IT WAS GRADUATE SCHOOL, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THEM THROUGH SCHOOL AS SOON AS WE CAN. IT'S A BURDEN ON NOT ONLY THE PARENTS BUT ON THE TAXPAYERS OF SOUTH CAROLINA. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK WE CAN ENHANCE THAT SOMETIMES BY THE JOB WE DO WITHIN THE SCHOOL AS FAR AS TUTORING AND COUNSELING AS FAR AS HELPING THE STUDENTS EXTRACURRICULAR AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS FAR AS THE UNIVERSITY IS CONCERNED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, DOCTOR. THAT COMPLETES THE SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. NOW WE GO TO THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT FIVE, TWO YEAR TERMS, AND OUR FIRST CANDIDATE IS PAYNE HENDERSON BARNETTE, JR. OF GREENWOOD.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. BARNETTE: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. BARNETTE: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. BARNETTE: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. BARNETTE: NO, SIR. I DON'T.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. BARNETTE: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION AS A UNIVERSITY TRUSTEE.
MR. BARNETTE: I FEEL THAT MINORITIES AND WOMEN IN COLLEGE, BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM ON GOALS AND THAT SORT OF THING ENCOURAGING THEM TO WHAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE BY HAVING A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE EDUCATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNSELING HAS GOT TO PLAY BIG PART IN THIS, AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE NOT ENCOURAGED, I GUESS, ENOUGH IN THE PAST WHAT GOALS AND ACHIEVEMENTS CAN COME FROM A COLLEGE EDUCATION.
SENATOR WILSON: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. BARNETTE: I THINK THAT -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT---
SENATOR WILSON: UNDERGRADUATE.
MR. BARNETTE: I BELIEVE THAT A GOOD PLACE TO START THAT IS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS, OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THINK BACK ON MY CAREER IN COLLEGE, AS IT ALMOST WAS, THAT QUITE HONESTLY I THOUGHT I KNEW WHICH DIRECTION I WAS GOING IN AND MANY TIMES, NOT MANY TIMES, BUT ONCE OR TWICE I CHANGED MY DIRECTION AND SO DID SOME OF MY FRIENDS, AND I THINK LOOKING BACK ON THAT, AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME, AND FEEL LIKE THAT WORK IN THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS THROUGH COUNSELING AND PERIODIC COUNSELING DURING THE FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORE YEARS, THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT YEARS THAT WE REVIEW, AND LAY DOWN WHAT SHOULD BE A SCHEDULED PERIODIC REVIEW WITH THE STUDENTS AS TO WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE AND HOW TO HELP THEM ACHIEVE THEM OR HELP THEM DECIDE ON THEIR CAREER PATH.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS BRADLEY JORDAN OF ANDERSON.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS TRUE SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. JORDAN: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. JORDAN, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. JORDAN: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. JORDAN: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. JORDAN: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. JORDAN: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. JORDAN: I HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THAT, SENATOR GLOVER, SINCE YOU FIRST MENTIONED IT, AND I AM AN EMPLOYER, AND THE MAJORITY OF MY EMPLOYEES ARE LADIES. AND TO DO IT IN A UNIVERSITY SETTING, I REALLY, LOOKING BACK AT MY EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND THE EXISTENCE OF MINORITIES AND WOMEN AND THE ADVANCEMENT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS THEY HAVE MADE, THE FACT THAT I HAVE CHILDREN COMING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION SHORTLY, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT SO MUCH IN THE EDUCATIONAL END OF IT AS IT IS AS AN EMPLOYER OUTSIDE OR BEYOND THAT OR JOB COUNSELING THAT MAY TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE EXITING OF THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THE INEQUITIES EXIST ACTUALLY IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE LINE OF MINORITIES, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BOTHERED ME FOR A LONG TIME SINCE I WAS EVEN A CHILD, AND MY FATHER WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WATCHING THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE IN 20 YEARS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE SYSTEM IS INTACT AND ENCOURAGED WOMEN AND MINORITIES, AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE AND POSSIBLY SOME EXTRA FINANCIAL SUPPORT. THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS.
SENATOR WILSON: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MR. JORDAN: LOOKING BACK AT TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO MY EDUCATION AND IN THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF SOUTH CAROLINA, SENATOR WILSON, MY BIGGEST PROBLEM, I THINK WITH THAT, IS THAT IT'S NOT SO MUCH CREATED BY THE STUDENT AS IT MAY BE WITH LACK OF COUNSELING OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE, WHAT CAREERS ARE AVAILABLE. MOST PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE HIGHER EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM REALLY NOT KNOWING WHAT CAREER THEY'RE GOING TO PURSUE OR WHAT JOB THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO AND THEY ALMOST GET PIGEON-HOLED WITH WHATEVER OFFERS ARE THERE. I THINK WE COULD HELP OURSELVES AND ALSO HELP INDIVIDUALS IF WE OFFERED THEM BETTER COUNSELING AND BETTER COUNSELING SYSTEM, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES WERE OUT THERE, AND MAYBE OPEN DOORS BETWEEN BUSINESSES AND HIGHER EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, AND AS I LOOK AT MY WIFE, FOR EXAMPLE, SHE WAS A THREE-YEAR COLLEGE GRADUATE. SHE DID IT IN THREE YEARS, AND I AM KIND OF A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN THAT MYSELF. I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TOO, THE ONES THAT ECONOMICALLY HAVE TO WORK OR MAY HAVE TO GO PART-TIME OR WORK YEAR ROUND AND ATTEND, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION THERE. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, I THINK, IS THE DROPPING OF COURSES THAT IS ALLOWED IN INSTITUTIONS, THE MID-SEMESTER DROP. I REMEMBER LOOKING AS A STUDENT THEY SAID LOOK TO YOUR RIGHT AND LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, SHAKE EACH OTHER'S HAND, ONLY ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO GRADUATE. AND THAT WAS MY ORIENTATION AS FRESHMAN THAT TWO OUT OF THREE OF US WOULD NOT BE THERE FOR GRADUATION. THAT IS PROBABLY A BAD WAY TO START COUNSELING OR INTRODUCTION TO THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT WE GO TO SEAT SIX FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM. OUR FIRST CANDIDATE IS SUZANNE E. EARLE OF WALHALLA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. EARLE: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS REGULARLY?
MS. EARLE: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MS. EARLE: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. EARLE: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. EARLE: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MS. EARLE: I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT SINCE YOU FIRST ASKED THE QUESTION. MY EXPERIENCE GROWING UP WAS THAT THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM IN MY COUNTY AND THE LOCAL UNIVERSITY WHICH WAS CLEMSON WORKED TOGETHER TO SHOW THE STUDENTS WHAT RESOURCES WERE AVAILABLE AT THE UNIVERSITY FOR THEM. THERE WERE FIELD TRIPS, OUTREACH PROGRAMS AND IT STARTED IN THE SECOND GRADE. THEY DIDN'T WAIT UNTIL WE WERE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO TRY TO GET US INTERESTED IN GOING TO SCHOOL THERE AND PART OF THAT IS WHY I CHOSE CLEMSON AS THE SCHOOL FOR ME TO GO TO, AND I THINK THE UNIVERSITY AT COASTAL CAROLINA IS IN A VERY GOOD POSITION TO PROVIDE THOSE SAME TYPES OF PROGRAMS TO MAKE THEIR RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR CHILDREN TO COME IN AND SEE WHAT'S THERE, TO HOLD COMPUTER AND MATH CAMPS IN THE SUMMER AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE NOT BASED ON INCOME AND TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO ALL THE STUDENTS SO THEY KNOW WHAT IS THERE AND THAT THEY'RE ENCOURAGED FROM AN EARLY AGE TO GO TO SCHOOL, AND I THINK THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
SENATOR WILSON: WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING A FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE?
MS. EARLE: I THINK IT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT PREVENT STUDENTS FROM FINISHING IN FOUR YEARS. ONE OF THE THINGS A SCHOOL CAN DO AT THE BEGINNING IS APTITUDE TESTING TO HELP POINT THEM IN THE DIRECTION THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN. A LOT OF STUDENTS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHEN I STARTED SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT BIO-ENGINEERING WAS; I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT CERAMIC ENGINEERING WAS. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS AVAILABLE SO IF THEY HAD MORE ORIENTATION PROGRAMS TO LEARN ABOUT THOSE FIELDS MAYBE I WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED MAJORS MID-WAY THROUGH. AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CORE CURRICULUM OF BASIC SCIENCES AND MATH SKILLS AND ENGLISH AND LIBERAL ARTS THAT CAN BE TRANSFERRED BETWEEN MAJORS WOULD ALSO CUT DOWN ON THE TIME IF YOU DO CHANGE MAJORS SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND CATCH UP ON A LOT OF CLASSES YOU DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
SENATOR MACAULAY: I MIGHT NOTE MS. EARLE HAS HAD A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN THE SCHOOLS IN OCONEE COUNTY. EVEN FROM THE SECOND GRADE. HER FATHER SERVED ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY COUNCIL, SO SHE KNOWS FROM WHENCE SHE SPEAKS.
SENATOR WILSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS TIME I NEED TO DEPART FOR A PRIOR COMMITMENT FOR A GENERAL COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR INDULGENCE THAT FOLLOWING THE QUESTION BY SENATOR GLOVER THAT THE QUESTION CONCERNING POSITIONS ON FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT THEREOF SO THAT IT WILL BE ASKED SO THAT I MAY READ IT IN THE RECORD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO DO THAT, SENATOR.
SENATOR WILSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS WILLIAM L. LYLES, JR. OF ANDERSON.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. LYLES, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. LYLES: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. LYLES: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD WITHIN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. LYLES: NO, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE BE MADE AWARE I DO HAVE AN EYE PROBLEM, EYE DISORDER THAT PROHIBITS ME FROM DRIVING, BUT I HAVE A DRIVER AND THIS CONDITION HAS NEVER CAUSED ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE VARIOUS BOARDS THAT I HAVE SERVED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. LYLES: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU THE NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. LYLES: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, SIR.
MR. LYLES: YES, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT I CAN SAY THAT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY SAID OTHER THAN JUST FROM PERSONAL NATURE. I FEEL LIKE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL, THE YOUNGER KIDS, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE PROGRAMS NEED TO BE STARTED, AND OF COURSE ANY TIME YOU MENTION PROGRAMS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPENDITURE, AND I THINK THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, EIGHTH THROUGH THE TENTH GRADE THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE JUNIOR HIGH OR HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL THAT CAN MAKE MINORITIES AND WOMEN FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES, AND I THINK EVENTUALLY THOSE THINGS WILL WORK WITH HARD WORK, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THAT UNDERGRADUATE LEVEL AS FAR AS HIGH SCHOOL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I ASKED. YOU MENTIONED EXPENDITURES FOR EDUCATION?
MR. LYLES: YES, SIR.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SINCE WE ARE EXPERIENCING SOME DECREASE IN STATE FUNDING IN SOME AREAS FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, WHAT IN YOUR OPINION CAN YOU TAKE TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD HELP ADD LEVERAGE TO THAT SITUATION?
MR. LYLES: MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING FOR 21 YEARS, AND I HAVE ALWAYS RUN MY BUSINESS WITH WHAT I HAD. AND IF I HAD A GOOD BIT OF REVENUE I PUT IT BACK INTO THE BUSINESS. I THINK THAT IS MY EXPERTISE AS FAR AS THIS BOARD IS CONCERNED, IS TO RUN THE BOARD LIKE A BUSINESS AND TO TRY TO KEEP EXPENDITURES DOWN AND YET TO TRY TO DO WITH THE MONEY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND TO WORK JOINTLY WITH THE BOARD ON THOSE THINGS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. LYLES, DO YOU FAVOR DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE GRADUATION IN A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD FOR STUDENTS?
MR. LYLES: OH, YES, SIR. I SURE DO. MY DAUGHTER FINISHED COLUMBIA COLLEGE AND IT TOOK HER FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, AND I THINK THE PROBLEM THERE WAS 60 PERCENT HERS AND 40 PERCENT THE FACT THAT I WISH SHE WOULD HAVE HAD SOME BETTER COUNSELING. OF COURSE YOU KNOW I AM HER FATHER AND HER MOTHER IS HER MOTHER. WE SHOULD DO A LOT OF THAT OURSELVES, BUT I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES MY SON, HE HAS JUST FINISHED HIS JUNIOR YEAR AT COASTAL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COASTAL A LITTLE STRICTER AND MORE TO THE POINT COUNSELING INSTEAD OF ONCE A SEMESTER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS AT LEAST AND SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AS FAR AS THE COUNSELOR OR ADVISOR TO THE STUDENT. NOW HOW THAT IS DONE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL PLANS AND PROGRAMS, AND I THINK THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, BUT FOUR YEARS, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE A HARD TIME FINISHING IN FOUR YEARS. I FINISHED IN FOUR YEARS, AND PROBABLY WASN'T THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD BUT I WORKED HARD AND WORKING HARD WILL GET YOU A LONG WAY IN THIS WORLD AND I HOPE I NEVER FORGET. AND I THINK AS FAR AS ADMISSIONS POLICIES, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN ADMISSIONS PROCEDURE BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE PEOPLE, MINORITIES, WOMEN, MEN, WHATEVER, THAT DON'T DO AS WELL ON ADMISSION TESTS AND MAYBE MIGHT NOT BE MAKING AS GOOD A GRADES, BUT PEOPLE GROW UP AND PEOPLE GET MATURE, AND WHEN THEY DO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT FOLLOW THAT COURSE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO WORK ALONG THOSE LINES WITH COASTAL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS LARRY A. JACKSON, GREENWOOD.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. JACKSON, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. JACKSON: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. JACKSON: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD WITHIN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. JACKSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. JACKSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF YOU ARE ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. JACKSON: I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS A TRUSTEE AT COASTAL WHAT WOULD YOU DO, SAME QUESTION?
MR. JACKSON: SENATOR GLOVER. WELL, THE WOMEN ARE NOT AS MUCH A PROBLEM AS MINORITIES. I THINK IN EVERY STATE COLLEGE EXCEPT THE UNIVERSITIES IN THIS COUNTRY THERE ARE MORE WOMEN ENROLLED THAN MEN, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO RAISE THE ASPIRATIONS OF WOMEN. SOME OF THEM DON'T AIM HIGH ENOUGH WHEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE. THE MINORITIES I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE A LOT OF ATTENTION TO TRYING TO HAVE GOOD ROLE MODELS WITHIN THE SCHOOL, HAVING BOTH MINORITIES AND WOMEN IN YOUR RECRUITING OFFICE. I AM PROUD, I THINK I CAN MENTION AT LANDER ALMOST CONSISTENTLY WE HAD THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF MINORITY STUDENTS OF ANY PREDOMINANTLY WHITE COLLEGE IN THE STATE, AND WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT WITHOUT WORKING TO MAKE THEM KNOW THAT THAT WAS THEIR HOME AS MUCH AS IT WAS ANYBODY ELSE'S.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. JACKSON, I KNOW YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THAT POLICY BEING PRESIDENT AT LANDER, BUT WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON ENCOURAGING THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION?
DR. JACKSON: IN LAST MONDAY'S "CHRONICLE" TWO STATES REPORTED, I THINK IT WAS OREGON AND TEXAS, THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAD PASSED A BILL WHICH AFTER YOU ACCUMULATE 45 HOURS ABOVE THE GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS YOU PAID OUT-OF-STATE TUITION. I AM NOT SURE I RECOMMEND THAT, BUT I JUST MENTION THAT BECAUSE IT'S A CONCERN ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STUDENTS THAT WORK. ABOUT 65 PERCENT OF LANDER STUDENTS WORK AND ATTEND COLLEGE AND DON'T ALWAYS FINISH IN FOUR YEARS. BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO GET THEM OUT IN FOUR YEARS, AND IF THEY'RE WORKING PERHAPS EXTEND IT TO A YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB THAN WE DO IN ENCOURAGING THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE.
SENATOR GIESE: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, ISN'T IT TRUE, THOUGH, THAT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE DON'T GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS IS THAT OVER HALF OF THEM CHANGE THEIR OBJECTIVE ONCE THEY GET TO COLLEGE AND SO SOME OF THE WORK THEY HAVE TAKEN OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD THEIR DEGREE AND THAT IS THE SINGLE GREATEST REASON WHY PEOPLE DON'T GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS, AND A STUDY THAT I READ INDICATED THAT ONLY 40 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY GRADUATED IN FOUR YEARS BUT THEN WENT UP TO SOME 67 PERCENT UP TO SIX YEARS, AND THEN THE STUDY STOPPED BUT THE SINGLE GREATEST REASON WAS THEY GOT TO SCHOOL AND FOUND OUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO DO AND CHANGED AND, OF COURSE, YOU LOSE CREDITS IN THAT SITUATION?
DR. JACKSON: YES, AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU I HAVEN'T QUITE DECIDED YET WHAT I WILL DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
DR. JACKSON: THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THAT CARRIES US TO THE FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT SEVEN, TWO-YEAR TERM. OUR FIRST CANDIDATE IS JAMES S. BARRETT OF SPARTANBURG.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. BARRETT: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. BARRETT, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. BARRETT: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. BARRETT: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. BARRETT: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD VIOLATE ANY DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. BARRETT: I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS A TRUSTEE, SAME QUESTION.
MR. BARRETT: AS A TRUSTEE I THINK THE TRUSTEE'S ROLE IS THAT OF POLICY. AND POLICYMAKING IN INSTITUTIONS IS REALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE THEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO ESTABLISH THOSE POLICIES THAT WOULD GUIDE THE INSTITUTION IN ITS SENSITIVITY TOWARD THE ISSUES OF MINORITIES AND WOMEN AS WELL AS ANYONE ELSE THAT THE INSTITUTION IS GEARED TO SERVE. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE GENIUS OF A REGIONAL UNIVERSITY, A UNIVERSITY THAT IS ESTABLISHED TO SERVE A PARTICULAR REGION IS TO DEVELOP THOSE UNIQUE KINDS OF POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WOULD BE OF PARTICULAR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF THAT AREA, AND FROM WHAT I KNOW OF COASTAL CAROLINA UNIVERSITY AND THAT REGION, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A PRINCIPAL CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A POLICY WAY.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION.
MR. BARRETT: THAT MAY BE THE WRONG QUESTION, SIR. FOUR YEARS IS AN ARBITRARY TIME. THE MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION COULD POSSIBLY BE HOURS ATTEMPTED AND OTHER FORMS OF EVALUATION METHODOLOGIES THAT WOULD DEAL WITH HOURS ATTEMPTED ON THE PART OF THE STUDENT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. A YEARLY CUTOFF RATE OR YEARLY TARGET RATE MAY REALLY NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN INSTITUTIONAL LIFE. I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD ALL WANT TO SEE STUDENTS FINISH THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, BOTH FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ECONOMICS OF THE FAMILY AND ALSO ECONOMICS OF THE SUPPORTING ENTITY TO BE AS CRISP AS POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN SET ARBITRARY LIMITS LIKE THAT.
SENATOR GIESE: I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THOUGH IS THE LONGER A PERSON STAYS IN SCHOOL THE MORE IT COSTS THE TAXPAYER. AT COASTAL CAROLINA, NOW IT IS PROBABLY SUBSIDIZED BY THE STATE FOR EVERY F.T.E. YOU HAVE ABOUT $3,400. WHEN IT TAKES A PERSON FIVE YEARS TO GET THROUGH SCHOOL THAT MEANS WE HAVE $17,000 IN TAXPAYERS' MONEY SUPPORTING THAT SCHOOL, AND IF THEY GET THROUGH IN FOUR YEARS THEY HAVE $14,000 PLUS. THAT IS WHY IT'S CRITICAL. THE EFFORT IS FOR THEM TO GET OUT AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.
MR. BARRETT: I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID. I SAID I THINK WE NEED OTHER ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES, NOT NECESSARILY A TIME LINE OF FOUR YEARS. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS A STUDENT ATTEMPTS OVER A COLLEGE CAREER, A NUMBER OF HOURS ATTEMPTED IN A PARTICULAR TIME SPAN. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CATEGORIZE FOUR YEARS AS BEING SOME SACRED RULE. THAT AGAIN SEEMS TO ME IS AN INSTITUTIONAL POLICY UNLESS IT BECOMES A STATE-WIDE POLICY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS JAMES D. MARTIN, JR. OF GREENVILLE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. MARTIN: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. MARTIN: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
DR. MARTIN: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. MARTIN: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. MARTIN: NO, SIR. AND I DON'T HAVE BUT TWO OF THESE (INDICATING HANDOUTS), BUT IF YOU WILL PASS THEM AROUND IT WILL PROBABLY EXPLAIN MY ANSWERS A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
DR. MARTIN: YOUR QUESTION (INDICATING SENATOR GLOVER) THIS IS EITHER GOING TO BE TERRIBLY GOOD OR TERRIBLY BAD. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS BEAT AROUND THE BUSH WITH YOUR QUESTION. THE POLICY SIDE IN RECRUITING IS ONE THING. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A STUDENT ONCE YOU HAVE HIM ON YOUR CAMPUS AND THAT COMES BACK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPASSIONATE, WHO WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THE CLASSROOM, WHO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND ENCOURAGE THEM. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH UPWARD BOUND IN SUMMER OF 1966, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA CAMPUS. IT WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE TO ENCOURAGE MINORITIES TO GET UP AND GET ON WITH IT. IT WORKED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE COUNSELING AND COACHING AND TEACHING WANTED TO BE THERE. IT WASN'T JUST A JOB. THEY CARED ABOUT THE PEOPLE, AND I CAN REMEMBER KIDS STANDING ON THE CORNER DOWN HERE AND MAMAS DROPPING CLEAN CLOTHES OFF SO THAT KID COULD GO TO THOSE CLASSES, AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE TO MAKE THEM REALIZE THEIR VALUE. IF YOU NOTICE OVER THERE -- I HAVE BEEN IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES FIVE TIMES: BRAZIL AND ZAMBIA. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY NEED HELP AND PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND. MY OWN SITUATION YOU NEED PEOPLE -- WADE BATTSON AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA COMES TO MY MIND IMMEDIATELY. HE ENCOURAGED ME AND AIMED ME WHERE I SHOULD GO, AND WAS BRAVE ENOUGH TO SUGGEST THINGS TO ME THAT I OUGHT TO TRY THAT OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T DO, AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BE INTIMIDATED BY THE ISSUE. MY BEST FRIEND WHEN I WAS GROWING UP WAS NAMED BABBY. HE LIVED ON A FARM WITH ME, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. AND I WOULD WELCOME THAT CHALLENGE.
SENATOR GIESE: I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE THE COUNSELING AND THE LEADERSHIP REALLY SHOULD COME FROM THE FACULTY AND NOT FROM SOME SEPARATE ORGANIZATION CALLED COUNSELORS AND PEOPLE STUCK OVER THERE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, ET CETERA, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN SOME PLACES, AND I HOPE COASTAL DOESN'T GO IN THAT DIRECTION, AND IF YOU ARE ELECTED I HOPE YOU WILL HOLD THE LINE OF NOT HAVING A FACULTY THAT IS PICKED ON THE BASIS OF HOW MANY PIECES OF RESEARCH THEY HAVE DONE OR HOW MANY ARTICLES THEY HAVE WRITTEN FOR JOURNALS AND SO ON. YOU HAVE JUST STRUCK THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE NEED IN LEADERSHIP.
DR. MARTIN: I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. A LOT OF FACULTY MEMBERS ARE RECRUITED STRICTLY FOR WRITING AND RESEARCH, AND THE HECK WITH DEALING WITH STUDENTS, AND I THINK IT'S WRONG. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH, I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND CLEMSON UNIVERSITY AND THE FACULTY MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE THAT MADE AN IMPACT STAYED WITH ME IN WHAT I NEEDED TO DO, AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
DR. MARTIN: FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL? THAT IS A GOOD ONE. I HAVE THREE CHILDREN. THE FIRST ONE GRADUATED IN FIVE YEARS, AND I WAS VERY ANGRY, BECAUSE THE GUIDANCE COUNSELOR DID NOT KNOW HER JOB. THE SECOND CHILD WILL GRADUATE FROM CLEMSON IN SEVEN YEARS IN DECEMBER. I AM PROUD AS PUNCH BECAUSE HE HAS WORKED HIS BUNS OFF TO GET THERE, AND HE NEEDED THE TIME TO GET THROUGH AND PEOPLE WORKED WITH HIM TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. MY THIRD CHILD WILL FINISH FURMAN IN FOUR YEARS. SHE TRANSFERRED, SHE CHANGED MAJORS. RESPONSIBILITY IS WITH THE SCHOOL. FOUR-YEAR EDUCATION IS DO-ABLE IF YOU PLAN AND WORK WITH THE KIDS ALONG THE WAY. IT CAN HAPPEN. IT SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCEPTION FOR A CHILD TO GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS EVEN IF YOU ARE WORKING OUTSIDE. IT CAN BE DONE. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION. SENATOR GIESE GOT ME THINKING ABOUT THIS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS. IT SEEMS THAT IN SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES THAT WHAT HAS OCCURRED OVER TIME, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IS A BUREAUCRACY THAT GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER, AND PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU START GETTING IN SITUATIONS WHERE BECAUSE OF RESEARCH OR DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITIES AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN TEACHING YOU FIND THAT PROFESSORS -- WE ARE HAVING TO HIRE MORE AND MORE PROFESSORS WHILE PARTS OF THE DUTIES OF OTHER PROFESSORS ARE FOR OTHER TYPES OF THINGS, AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN, IF YOU WOULD HAVE A CONCERN AND KEEP THAT IN MIND AS TRUSTEE AT COASTAL CAROLINA?
DR. MARTIN: I THINK WE WENT THROUGH A PUBLISH OR PERISH SYNDROME WHICH IN ONE RESPECT IS AWFUL. WE PUT OUR EMPHASIS ON TECHNOLOGY AND RESEARCH AND WHAT WE COULD TURN OUT AND WE FORGOT THE MOST CRUCIAL THING WE WERE CREATING WERE HUMAN MINDS THAT COULD ADVANCE CIVILIZATION. WE LOST TRACK OF THAT IN WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE ARE NOT MAKING WIDGETS AT COLLEGE. WE ARE CREATING A SERVICE AND A SERVICE THAT WILL PULL AND ENTICE THE VERY BEST THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THEMSELVES TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND YOUR COMMUNITIES AND YOUR STATE. I THINK WHEN FACULTY MEMBERS RETIRE OR A TURNOVER OR CREATING NEW SPACES WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TOTAL PERSON, NOT JUST WHAT HE CREATED IN THE LAB, NOT JUST WHAT HIS RESEARCH WAS BUT HOW DID HE RESPOND TO THE STUDENTS THAT HE HAD, AND I THINK WE NEED PEOPLE THAT CAN DO BOTH. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR STATE INSTITUTIONS NOW THAT DO BOTH, AND THE SLIP THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T LIKE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO DEVIATE TOWARDS RESEARCH AND NEVER HAVE HANDS-ON CONTACT WITH STUDENTS, AND THE BULK OF THE TEACHING HOURS ARE HANDLED BY THE FEWEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE TEACHERS THAT ARE DEDICATED ARE CARRYING 25 OR 30 CONTACT HOURS A SEMESTER, AND PARTICULARLY IN LAB SCIENCES THAT IS HARD AND IT'S DIFFICULT. AND WE HAVE HAD MORE AND MORE OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES GIVEN OVER TO GRADUATE STUDENTS. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. WE HAVE FOLKS TEACHING SOMEBODY WHAT SOMEONE ELSE TAUGHT THEM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD POLICY, AND I THINK THE TEACHERS NEED TO BE BACK IN THE CLASSROOM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AT COASTAL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR.
DR. MARTIN: BUDGETS, WAS THAT QUESTION?
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: NO, I SAID THANK YOU, SIR. ASSUMING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS ELAINE W. MARKS FROM SPARTANBURG.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. MARKS, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. MARKS: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. MARKS: YES, I CAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF TO PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. MARKS: NO, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. MARKS: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. MARKS: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS A TRUSTEE, THE SAME QUESTION.
MS. MARKS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES AS POLICYMAKERS. I HAVE SERVED LONG ENOUGH IN PUBLIC EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT THE PREROGATIVE OF BOARD MEMBERS TO EVALUATE THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY. I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PERSON SERVING ON THESE BOARDS WHO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF STUDENTS FOR THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY, AND THAT ALL STUDENTS DO NOT LEARN AT THE SAME PACE, THAT THEY MATURE AT DIFFERENT RATES. MY OWN SON WAS FINISHED IN FOUR YEARS. AT THE TIME HE FINISHED I WOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED HIS FINISHING OR TAKING ANY LONGER THAN FOUR YEARS. I WAS VERY VERY MUCH A TRADITIONALIST. HOWEVER, I TAUGHT SUMMER SCHOOL EVERY SUMMER TO PAY HIS SUMMER SCHOOL FEE BUT HE MADE IT, AND SO I DO THINK I HAVE CERTAINLY FOUND IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT MOTIVATION IS A BIG FACTOR, THAT ONCE YOUNGSTERS HAVE TASTED OF SUCCESS THAT THIS BRINGS MORE SUCCESS, AND I DO THINK THIS IS OR SHOULD BE THE BASIC MOTIVATION OF BOARD MEMBERS IN MAKING POLICIES. THAT PROFESSIONALS CAN LIVE WITH AND WORK WITH AS THEY MEET THESE YOUNGSTERS AND HELP THEM TO MOVE INTO THEIR GOALS FOR THEIR OWN LIVES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION.
MS. MARKS: MOST OF THESE PERSONS KNOW ME AND ARE ACQUAINTED WITH ME AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT ALL OF YOU DO FOR EDUCATION AT EVERY LEVEL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU. NEXT WE GO TO SEAT EIGHT, FOUR-YEAR TERM. THE FIRST CANDIDATE IS ALEX KIRIAKIDES, III FROM GREENVILLE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. KIRIAKIDES: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. KIRIAKIDES: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. KIRIAKIDES: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. KIRIAKIDES: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. KIRIAKIDES: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS A TRUSTEE, SAME QUESTION PLEASE.
MR. KIRIAKIDES: IF THE COMMITTEE IS IN AGREEMENT,I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER BOTH QUESTIONS TOGETHER, AND IN MY OPINION MY PHILOSOPHY DEALS WITH BOTH STATEMENTS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE SELF-ESTEEM FOR ALL STUDENTS AND I WOULD ALSO PROMOTE EXCELLENCE FOR EVERYONE. IN MY EXPERIENCE, OF COURSE, I WENT THROUGH THE HIGH SCHOOL AND PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I WENT TO WOFFORD COLLEGE AND FINISHED IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, AND MY EXPERIENCE WAS THAT WITH SCHOOL AND WITH LIFE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY YOU HAVE TO PROMOTE EXCELLENCE IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AS LONG AS THEIR STANDARDS ARE SET HIGH, THEN EVERYONE ELSE FALLS IN LINE WHETHER IT'S OUT PLAYING SPORTS, GOLF OR TENNIS OR WHATEVER AND YOU ARE PLAYING WITH BETTER PEOPLE, THEN NATURALLY YOU DO BETTER AND YOU EXCEL. SO WHETHER IT'S AT SCHOOL OR LIFE OR IN WORK, ESPECIALLY IN OUR STATE BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A FINE GROUP OF BUSINESSES THAT PROMOTE A TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT AND OUR STANDARDS ARE HIGH WHEN THEY COME OUT OF COLLEGE AND, THEREFORE, THEY MUST BE SET, AND THAT WOULD BE THE THRUST OF MY PHILOSOPHY ON EVERY DECISION THAT I MAKE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. THE NEXT CANDIDATE IS KEITH SMITH OF GREER.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. SMITH, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. SMITH: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. SMITH: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS TRUSTEE, SAME QUESTION.
MR. SMITH: I THINK THE POLICY SHOULD BE TO IDENTIFY TO QUALIFY STUDENTS EARLY, INCLUDING MINORITIES AND WOMEN, AND TO ENCOURAGE THEM OF SELF-ESTEEM AND ASPIRATIONS AND TO SELL THE UNIVERSITY AS A MEANS OF MEETING THIS BUT THAT WE ATTRACT THE QUALIFIED STUDENTS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR.
MR. SMITH: YES, I THINK IN AN EXPERIENCE WITH MY DAUGHTER IN SCHOOL, THE ONE POLICY THEY HAD WAS THAT ALL THE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES INCLUDING SORORITIES AND THAT TYPE THING, BUT SHE WAS ALSO IN AN ASSOCIATION THAT WAS ATTEMPTING TO ERADICATE ADULT ILLITERACY IN THE AREA OF THE COLLEGE, AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT YOU HAD TO MAKE SATISFACTORY PROGRESS FOR ITS DEGREE AND OF COURSE THE BIGGEST KEY, I GUESS, IS TO THE PENALTY FOR NOT MAKING SATISFACTORY PROGRESS AND TO FIND QUALIFIED STUDENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE ADMISSIONS PROCESS, BUT I THINK THE PROGRESS TOWARDS THE DEGREE, THE PENALTY, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE RECEIVING AID, SHOULD BE GREATER, AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES IN SITUATIONS WHERE STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR BECOMES A CONCERN ON CAMPUS AS WE HAVE HAD AT SOME COLLEGES IN SOUTH CAROLINA, AND I DON'T WANT TO NAME THEM, OVER THE PAST YEAR OR TWO?
MR. SMITH: STUDENT NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR? WELL, AGAIN, THE ROLE OF THE TRUSTEE IS ONE OF POLICY, AND THAT HAS TO DIFFER DEPENDING UPON THE DEGREE, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT TRUSTEES SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUES TO WHAT IS TOLERABLE AND INTOLERABLE AND COME UP WITH A SET OF GUIDELINES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE COLLEGE CAN LIVE BY AND CAN ENFORCE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE GO TO THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. SEAT NINE, TWO-YEAR TERM. EVELYN F. HOWE OF GAFFNEY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. HOWE, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. HOWE: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. HOWE: YES, I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF TO PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. HOWE: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. HOWE: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. HOWE: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: AS A TRUSTEE, SAME QUESTION.
MS. HOWE: GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITY WOMEN FOR SOME YEARS AND YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF THE FACT WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED A STUDY CALLED "SHORTCHANGING GIRLS, SHORTCHANGING AMERICA." THIS WAS RELEASED A YEAR OR SO AGO AND THE FINDINGS, I THOUGHT, WERE EXTREMELY INTERESTING AND COMING FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL BACKGROUND AS A TEACHER AND PRINCIPAL, I LOOKED BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE CLASSROOM AND I FOUND I WAS SHORTCHANGING MY GIRLS. ALL GIRLS. BECAUSE THE MALES TENDED TO WANT TO RESPOND MORE QUICKLY. THEY WERE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN ASKING QUESTIONS, THEREFORE, THEY RECEIVED MORE OF MY ATTENTION THAN THE GIRLS DID WHO TENDED LIKE ME TO BE RATHER PASSIVE AND QUIET. AND SO I THINK THE IMPACT OF THIS STUDY IMPACTS ON EDUCATION FROM K THROUGH COLLEGE, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS MADE EDUCATORS MORE AWARE OF THE FACT THERE HAS BEEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE TEACHING OF MALES AND FEMALES, MINORITIES OR WHATEVER, SO I THINK THIS FACTOR THAT BEGINS IN KINDERGARTEN OF MAKING GIRLS, ALL FEMALES AWARE THEY HAVE CAPABILITY AND POTENTIAL AND IF THEY HAVE THE DESIRE TO FURTHER THEIR EDUCATION THE SKY IS THE LIMIT, AND THAT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? TO THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION, MA'AM.
MS. HOWE: YES, SIR. IS IT MURPHY'S LAW THAT SAYS -- I AM NOT SURE IF IT'S MURPHY'S, SOMEBODY'S LAW, THAT SAYS THAT PEOPLE TEND TO RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THEIR EXPECTATIONS. ANYWAY, IT'S A GOOD LAW. IN MY HOME I WAS EXPECTED TO DO WELL IN SCHOOL. MY PARENTS ENCOURAGED ME FROM THE BEGINNING, YES, YOU CAN LEARN; YES, YOU WILL LEARN AND WE WILL HELP YOU, AND EDUCATION BEGINS IN THE HOME WITH THE FAMILY. AND IF THAT IS ENCOURAGED, IF THAT STUDENT FEELS THAT ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THEN HE WILL OR SHE WILL TEND TO DO THEIR BEST OR CERTAINLY STRIVE TO DO THEIR BEST. NOW AS FAR AS FOUR YEARS GOES, I GRADUATED IN THREE YEARS FROM COLLEGE BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT FROM MY PARENTS. MY DAUGHTER TOOK LONGER. IT TOOK HER FOUR YEARS TO GET THROUGH CAROLINA, BECAUSE SHE CHANGED HER MAJOR. BUT, HERE AGAIN, SHE HAD ENCOURAGEMENT FROM HOME TO DO HER BEST SO CERTAINLY I AGREE THAT A FOUR-YEAR STANDARD, AND YOU MUST HAVE SOME SORT OF STANDARD, IS ONE THAT A STUDENT BEGINNING IN EARLY GRADE SCHOOL, IF THEY HAVE THAT AS A GOAL LONG-TERM, SHOULD BEGIN TO WORK IN GRADE SCHOOL, YES, I WILL GO TO COLLEGE; YES, I WILL GRADUATE FROM COLLAGE, AND I WILL HAVE THE CAREER THAT I WANT BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BEGIN NOW IN MY FORMATIVE YEARS.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION: HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES IN SITUATIONS WHERE A STUDENT'S NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR BECOMES A PROBLEM ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS?
MS. HOWE: IF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS ESTABLISHED POLICY AND THAT OF COURSE IS THE ROLE THAT HAS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES HERE, THEN THAT GIVES THE ADMINISTRATION THE FRAMEWORK WITH WHICH TO DEAL WITH THAT NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR. AND SO WITH THOSE GUIDELINES, THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT POLICY, BECAUSE THAT IS MORE OR LESS A DAY-TO-DAY MATTER AND SHOULD NOT INVOLVE DIRECTLY THE BOARD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS GENOVA MCFADDEN OF HARTSVILLE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. MCFADDEN: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. MCFADDEN: YES, I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. MCFADDEN: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. MCFADDEN: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. MCFADDEN: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION AS TRUSTEE.
MS. MCFADDEN: I FIRST HAVE TO AGREE, I GUESS, WITH MR. MARTIN THAT MAYBE WE HAVE NOT DEALT WITH THE ISSUE OF THE QUESTION FULLY. AS EVERYONE CAN READILY SEE I AM AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, AND I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF EMPHASIS PUT ON THE ROLE MODEL ISSUES, BUT I THINK THAT IN THIS POSITION I SHOULD BE MORE THAN A ROLE MODEL. MY DUTIES SHOULD GO BEYOND THAT. AS IN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I TRY TO DO, I TRY TO REACH OUT TO OTHERS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN BOARD MEMBER TO REACH OUT TO MINORITIES AND WOMEN ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. I ALSO HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT THE ROLE OF THE BOARD IS A POLICYMAKING ROLE, AND THAT I AGREE WITH, AND AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN AND A WOMAN ON THAT BOARD I WOULD DEAL WITH POLICY COOPERATIVELY WITH MY BOARD MEMBERS OF THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND ALSO IN THAT PROCESS DEAL WITH SOME SENSITIVITY ISSUES WHICH I THINK WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON AS MUCH DURING THESE HEARINGS TO HELP SENSITIZE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WHO WILL BE SETTING POLICY THAT WILL DIRECT THIS INSTITUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED FROM THAT LEVEL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE LADY?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR.
MS. MCFADDEN: AS OTHERS I HAVE HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION. I AGREE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOST OF THE MAJORITY OF OUR STUDENTS FINISH HIGHER EDUCATION IN FOUR YEARS UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH HAVE BEEN ALLUDED TO OR MENTIONED HERE EARLIER THAT THERE MAY BE REASONS AND GOOD REASONS WHY PEOPLE DON'T FINISH IN FOUR YEARS. ME HAVING A SOCIAL WORK BACKGROUND, MY WORD FOR WHAT SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN USING IS GUIDANCE COUNSELING, MY WORD IS SUPPORT. I THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE STUDENTS THERE SHOULD BE A MECHANISM OR SYSTEM OF SUPPORT IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE CAREER OF THAT STUDENT. WHEN I THINK BACK ON MY YEARS OF COLLEGE AND I THINK ALL OF YOU CAN PROBABLY THINK ABOUT THIS, AT 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, SO YOU DO NEED A LOT OF GUIDANCE AND A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO DIFFERENT CAREERS. I SEE PARTIALLY A ROLE FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TAKE A PART IN THIS EFFORT IN TERMS OF MAKING THEIR CAREER OPPORTUNITIES VERY VISIBLE TO THE STUDENT AS THEY GO THROUGH THEIR CAREERS, BUT THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, THAT IT'S SUPPORT, I AM CALLING IT, TO GET STUDENTS TO HELP THEM. ANOTHER ASPECT IS THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS NOW WHO ARE NOT 18 OR 19 YEAR OLDS BUT WHO ARE COMING BACK TO SCHOOL FOR A SECOND CAREER OR FURTHER TRAINING OR TO GET THEIR DEGREE FOR THE FIRST TIME. THOSE STUDENTS MAY BE WORKING, SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL, BUT IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THROUGH SOME KIND OF BUSINESS SCHOOL OR FACULTY PARTNERSHIP TO GET THAT DONE IN FOUR YEARS.
SENATOR GIESE: MS. MCFADDEN, DO YOU THINK THERE IS A REAL NEED OF THE BOARD TO HAVE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN TO EXPRESS -- I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN HINTING THERE ARE CERTAIN VIEWPOINTS OR CERTAIN INFLUENCES OR CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT COULD INFLUENCE THE POLICIES OF THE SCHOOL TO THE SCHOOL BOARD BY HAVING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN ON THE COUNCIL OR COMMISSION?
MS. MCFADDEN: I MAY ANSWER THAT YES AND NO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION RIGHT. THAT IT IS NOT BEING AFRICAN AMERICAN FOR THE SAKE OF BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN ON THE BOARD. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE, BUT IF WE SAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ROLE MODELS, IF WE SAY THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT, IF WE SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ROLE MODELS IN POSITIONS WHERE STUDENTS CAN ASPIRE OR CONCEIVE SOMEONE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN FEEL THAT MOTIVATION AND DRIVE TO ASPIRE THEN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THAT IS WHY I THINK I MENTIONED A POLICY ISSUE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY EFFECTIVE TO HAVE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN OR ANY MINORITY ON A BOARD IF THEY'RE JUST THERE AS THAT, BUT THE ROLE NEEDS TO GO BEYOND ROLE MODELS IN TERMS OF WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH YOUR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO INSTITUTE POLICIES THAT WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUES, WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE CANNOT SHY AWAY FROM. SO THAT IN AND OF ITSELF.
SENATOR GIESE: SOMETIMES WE READ OR HEAR THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME ADVOCATE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP. I AGREE 100 PERCENT WITH YOUR ANSWER THUSFAR, BUT IS THERE ANY VALIDITY TO THE FACT YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT TO PRESENT THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND?
MS. MCFADDEN: AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN DO YOU MEAN DO I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT? I HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE PROBABLY, AND THEN AGAIN MAYBE NOT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT BECAUSE MY GOAL IS TO SEE ALL PEOPLE IN THIS AREA, AND I AM INTERESTED BECAUSE I AM FROM NEAR THAT AREA, TO SEE PEOPLE IN THIS STATE TO BE ABLE TO BE EDUCATED, AND I THINK THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, SO, NO, IT'S NOT JUST THAT I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAT I AM PROMOTING, BUT I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK WILL BE VALUABLE.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I THINK YOU ANSWERED IN PART MY QUESTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION. HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES IN SITUATIONS WHERE NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR ON CAMPUS HAS BECOME A CONCERN?
MS. MCFADDEN: I SEE THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES AS BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH TRYING TO WORK WITH STUDENTS IN TRYING TO NEGOTIATE OR RESOLVE ISSUES. I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A PROTEST OR TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF ACTING OUT BEHAVIOR OR INCIDENTS THAT DISRUPT THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESS, I THINK THEY NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESPONSES; BUT, NEVERTHELESS, I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT IN TERMS OF POLICYMAKING, ALSO IN TERMS OF WORKING COOPERATIVELY AGAIN WITH THE STUDENTS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MA'AM. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS JULI POWERS FROM CLIO.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. POWERS, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. POWERS: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. POWERS: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. POWERS: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. POWERS: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. POWERS: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MS. POWERS: SENATOR GLOVER, I WOULD LOVE TO, AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, USE MY VOICE WHICH I HAVE NONE THIS MORNING, TO EXPRESS TO OUR RECRUITMENT DEPARTMENT TO INITIATE A MORE AGGRESSIVE RECRUITING AT AN EARLIER AGE OUT IN THE SCHOOLS, GO OUT THERE ACTIVELY, GET THEIR HANDS ON THESE CHILDREN, LOOK AT THEIR BRIGHT LITTLE FACES, GUIDE THEM AND TELL THEM THEY CAN COME TO OUR INSTITUTION, HERE IS WHAT PROGRAMS WE HAVE, HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR LIFE IF YOU WORK HARD IN THAT PROGRAM, HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT TO LET THEM KNOW WITH AN ACTIVE, AGGRESSIVE RECRUITING PROGRAM. I GREW UP AND GRADUATED FROM COASTAL CAROLINA, AND THAT IS A VERY APPEALING PART OF OUR SCHOOL IS THAT IT'S A VERY PERSONAL RECRUITING DEPARTMENT, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE AGGRESSIVE AND ALSO MORE REALISTIC WITH MINORITIES AND WOMEN. AS I JUST SAID, HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF, HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, WE ARE HERE TO GUIDE YOU AND SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY, HERE IS THE PART YOU HAVE TO PLAY, AND I THINK WITH THAT WE WOULD HAVE A GREATER SUCCESS IN THAT AREA.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION?
MS. POWERS: THE DISTRICT IS ON DOWN THE LINE AND I AM SORRY, I WILL BE HONEST, I HAVE NO PANACEA. THERE IS TWO SIDES TO THIS. IF WE IMPLIED STRICTER RESTRICTIONS ON CHANGING OF HOURS, TRANSFERRING OF MAJORS, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD BE INFLUENCED TO GO THROUGH THEIR FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM, GET THAT DEGREE AND THEN MAY GO OUT AND MAY OR MAY NOT JOIN THE WORK FORCE AND THEN THEY WOULD TURN AROUND AND COME RIGHT BACK TO SCHOOL TO PURSUE ANOTHER CAREER, ANOTHER MAJOR OR DEGREE AND THEN BE RIGHT BACK IN THE TAXPAYERS' LAP. IF WE LOOKED DOWN THAT ONE ROAD AND SAID HERE IS YOUR FOUR-YEAR DEGREE, I AM AFRAID WE MIGHT LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR COMPETITIVE EDGE IN THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS AT COASTAL MY DEGREE WAS IN HEALTH AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION, BUT A COUPLE OF YEARS INTO IT MY ADVISOR HAD THE PERCEPTION TO SHOW ME HOW I COULD ADD A LITTLE MORE -- WE HAD THESE SHORT COURSE TYPE THINGS CALLED MAYMESTER WHERE YOU COULD CONSOLIDATE A LOT OF LEARNING INTO ONE MONTH AND I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN SUMMER SCHOOL AND THEN I EARNED AN EXTRA CERTIFICATION IN ELEMENTARY EDUCATION ALONG WITH HEALTH AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION. ALTHOUGH IT DIDN'T, BUT SOME STUDENTS IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN FOUR YEARS. I WOULD HATE TO SEE US LOSE SOME SENSE OF COMPETITIVENESS BY SAYING WE WANT YOU THROUGH HERE IN FOUR YEARS. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN A COMMON SENSE WAY, YOU COULD SIT DOWN WITH A VERY REALISTIC ADVISOR AT THE BEGINNING AND, THEREFORE, FALL BACK TO THE RECRUITING, IS THIS STUDENT QUALIFIED, AND JUST LIKE MY ANSWER TO SENATOR GLOVER'S QUESTION, SIT THE STUDENT DOWN AND SAY HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL DO FOR US AND WE WILL DO THIS FOR YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW MY EDUCATION WHEN I WAS AT COASTAL CAROLINA, I COULD NEVER REPAY COASTAL CAROLINA FOR EVERYTHING IT DID FOR ME IN MY EDUCATION GETTING ME PREPARED TO GO OUT INTO THE WORK FORCE WITH NOT ONLY JUST A JOB BUT THE JOB I WANTED. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED FORTUNATELY, BECAUSE I CHOSE A GREAT SCHOOL, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TELL THESE STUDENTS HERE IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOU HAVE TO HELP US, AND THEN A CLOSE MONITORING SYSTEM DURING SEMESTERS CLOSELY MONITORING LIKE SET UP DEFINITE CHECKPOINTS AND HAVE THE STUDENTS IDENTIFY THEY'RE AT RISK, DROPPING COURSES OR NOT DOING WELL, AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR MAJOR, PERHAPS THERE'S SOME CLOSER LOOK WE CAN TAKE AT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND HELP THE STEER THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS TO NOT CAUSE THAT STUDENT TO STAY IN SCHOOL LONGER THAN THEY HAVE TO. SO TWO SIDES. SORRY. I PROBABLY COULD MAKE UP A WONDERFUL ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT WE GO TO THE SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT 11, WILLIAM H. CHANDLER FROM HEMINGWAY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. CHANDLER, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. CHANDLER: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. CHANDLER: I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD?
MR. CHANDLER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. CHANDLER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST, IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD, THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. CHANDLER: I PRESENTLY HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING ON THE BOARD OF CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED CHILDREN. MY TERM EXPIRES IN JUNE, AND I HAVE CERTAINLY ENJOYED THAT OPPORTUNITY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: YOU OF COURSE DON'T INTEND TO PURSUE CONTINUANCE OF IT?
MR. CHANDLER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SENATOR GLOVER.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MR. CHANDLER: THAT ITEM IS ESPECIALLY, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT AND MEANINGFUL TO ME BECAUSE I COME FROM WILLIAMSBURG AND WE HAVE A LARGE MINORITY POPULATION. OBVIOUSLY, AS A BOARD, WE CAN SET POLICY. I THINK THAT POLICY OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE SENSITIVITY IN ADMISSIONS AND OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE HOPEFULLY COMMUNITY AND INDUSTRY INVOLVEMENT FOR MINORITY SCHOLARSHIPS AND SUPPORT, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE EXCITING OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE TO MAKE OFFERINGS OF MINORITY INTEREST. IT SEEMS TO ME COASTAL CAROLINA UNIVERSITY IS IN A PRIMARY LOCATION, A LOGICAL SPOT TO OFFER STUDIES IN AFRICAN HISTORY AS APPLIES TO THE SETTLEMENT OF COASTAL SOUTH CAROLINA. I THINK IF YOU HAD OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT REALLY INTERESTED MINORITY GROUPS THAT THAT WOULD BE A REAL CALLING CARD FOR COASTAL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION?
MR. CHANDLER: I WAS IN A HIGH SCHOOL A WEEK AGO AND I SAW SCRAWLED ACROSS A BLACKBOARD, "WHY GO TO COLLEGE, GO TO COASTAL." I FOLLOWED UP ON THAT, BECAUSE IT CONCERNED ME, AND THE IMPLICATION WAS THERE ARE A LOT OF DISTRACTIONS ON THE GRAND STRAND. THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM. I HAVE THE FIRST OF THREE CHILDREN WHO WILL BE IN COLLEGE NEXT YEAR, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR THAT ISSUE AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE START OFF THROUGH ADMISSIONS WITH A PARTNERSHIP OF PARENT AND STUDENT SO THAT EARLY PROCESS AND THAT THAT ISSUE CAN BE DEALT WITH. I THINK ALSO THAT WE NEED TO OFFER PERHAPS OR STUDY THE POSSIBILITIES OF OFFERING SOME INNOVATIVE REWARD FOR PROMPT COMPLETION, AND FINALLY I THINK AS A BOARD AND THROUGH POLICY WE NEED TO INSURE THERE IS A RIGOROUS COMPETITION THERE THAT DOES ENCOURAGE SCHOLARSHIP.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SAME QUESTION FOR YOU PLEASE, SIR. MR. CHANDLER, HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES IN SITUATIONS WHERE STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR BECOMES A CONCERN?
MR. CHANDLER: THE BOARD MAKES POLICY AND THEN WE SUPPORT OUR ADMINISTRATION, AND I HOPE THERE THAT YOU HAVE MADE WISE DECISIONS IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION AND ADMINISTRATION DOES A GOOD JOB IN HANDLING THAT PROBLEM.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SENATOR MACAULAY.
SENATOR MACAULAY: I WILL REVIVE MY QUESTION. IN SELECTING A PRESIDENT FOR THE UNIVERSITY DO YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR THOUGHTS?
MR. CHANDLER: THE SEARCH COMMITTEE WILL HAVE IT. I FEEL ENCOURAGED THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES AT COASTAL, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING EXCITING ABOUT A BEGINNING. I THINK THERE IS A LOT THERE TO ATTRACT APPLICANTS, AND I REALLY THINK THEY WILL BE GOOD APPLICANTS AND THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL BE SO ENCOURAGING THAT WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF FINDING SOMEBODY REALLY DYNAMIC.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. WE GO NOW TO SEAT 14 AT LARGE. THE FIRST CANDIDATE IS H. FRANKLIN BURROUGHS OF CONWAY. (NO RESPONSE.)
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: NEXT WE GO TO MR. FRED C. FORE OF MURRELLS INLET.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. FORE, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. FORE: I DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. FORE: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD?
MR. FORE: NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. FORE: NONE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. FORE: I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE MYRTLE BEACH AIR FORCE BASE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, AND I WOULD RESIGN IF APPROVED BY THIS COMMITTEE IF YOU ALLOW ME TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, SIR.
MR. FORE: SENATOR GLOVER, IT'S CERTAINLY A VALID QUESTION, ONE OF MUCH IMPORTANCE IN ALL AREAS OF EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC EDUCATION. I THINK MY FIRST AND FOREMOST RESPONSE, SENATOR, WOULD BE I RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE LOOK CLOSELY AT ROLE MODELS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED IN OUR SOCIETY AND IN OUR PROFESSION SUCH AS MAGGIE GLOVER. ADDITIONALLY FROM THAT INFORMAL RESPONSE, SENATOR, I, IN A POLICYMAKING POSITION, WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO CARRYING THROUGH THE SAME BASIC PHILOSOPHY THAT I CARRIED THROUGH FOR 28 YEARS AS PRESIDENT OF FLORENCE/DARLINGTON TECHNICAL COLLEGE. THAT SIMPLY IS AS YOU RECALL, NUMBER ONE, ONE SHOULD BE IN A POSITION BECAUSE OF HIS OR HER QUALIFICATION, BUT WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT MAKES UP QUALIFICATIONS, I FIRMLY BELIEVE, SENATOR, THAT OUR SOCIETY HAS POSSIBLY NOT ADDRESSED THE NEEDS OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES THROUGH THE YEARS AND, THEREFORE, WE SHOULD DEVOTE AS MANY OF OUR RESOURCES AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO SEE THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EQUIP THEMSELVES, PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS AND BE IN A POSITION OF QUALIFICATION.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DID YOU ANSWER THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION, SIR?
MR. FORE: NO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DIDN'T. IT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION, I AM SURE OF MUCH IMPORTANCE TO YOU WITH THE TIGHTENING OF THE RESOURCES. EACH YEAR, OF COURSE, BEYOND THE FOURTH YEAR LEVEL IS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS BOTH FOR THE TAXPAYER, FOR YOU IN MAKING DECISIONS AS TO HOW TO ALLOCATE THE LIMITED RESOURCES, AND IT'S ALSO AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS FOR THE PARENTS. I CAN RELATE TO THAT AS OTHERS HAVE. I HAD ONE DAUGHTER THAT GOT VERY EXCELLENT CLASSROOM ATTENTION AND COUNSELING, SHE GOT VERY EXCELLENT CAREER COUNSELING IN THE EARLY AGES, AND SHE WENT THROUGH THE FOUR-YEAR PROCESS WITH NO DIFFICULTY. I HAVE ANOTHER DAUGHTER THAT IS IN HER SEVENTH YEAR. I REALIZE THAT IS EXPENSIVE TO THE TAXPAYERS AND CERTAINLY EXPENSIVE TO HER FATHER. I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT CAN BE ADDRESSED NOT WITH THE FIFTH AND SIXTH AND SEVENTH YEAR COST FACTORS ON THE TAXPAYER AND THE PARENT AND INDIVIDUAL, BUT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE LOWER LEVEL. I WAS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN SENATOR GIESE'S OBSERVATIONS, AND THAT IS SIMPLY THAT CAREER COUNSELING MAYBE HASN'T BEEN PUT INTO OUR EDUCATIONAL PROCESSES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I AM A STRONG ADVOCATE, MR. CHAIRMAN, OF CAREER COUNSELING BUT THEN AS WE LOOK AT PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING BY THE CAREER COUNSELORS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND IN THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESSES OF THE POST SECONDARY LEVEL, THERE ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES AND NOT ENOUGH QUALIFIED COUNSELORS TO GET THE JOB DONE. THEREFORE, IT FALLS TO THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CLASSROOM TEACHER ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE INDIVIDUAL. HE OR SHE IN THE CLASSROOM CAN DETECT THE NEEDS OF THE INDIVIDUAL STUDENT MUCH BETTER THAN A CAREER COUNSELOR OR COUNSELOR SITTING OUT IN AN OUTER OFFICE.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION.
MR. FORE: IN MY 28 YEARS AS PRESIDENT OF FLORENCE/DARLINGTON TECHNICAL COLLEGE, I WAS FORTUNATE IN THAT I HAD A STRONG BOARD THAT ESTABLISHED A STRONG POLICY. WHEN WE HAD ANY DIFFICULTIES ON THE CAMPUS I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT MY BOARD EXPECTED OF ME AND CARRIED THOSE POLICIES OUT. THEREFORE, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND, AND IF ALLOWED TO SERVE WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND A STRONG POLICY SO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND FACULTY WOULD KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S POLICIES ARE RELATIVE TO THESE MATTERS AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM IMMEDIATELY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. FORE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THE NEXT CANDIDATE IS DEAN P. HUDSON OF CONWAY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. HUDSON, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. HUDSON: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. HUDSON: YES, I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. HUDSON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. HUDSON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. HUDSON: YES, SIR, I CURRENTLY SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA MINING COUNCIL, WHICH I WOULD RESPECTFULLY RESIGN FROM IF ELECTED TO THIS BOARD.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, SIR.
MR. HUDSON: AS A MEMBER AND A WORKER IN AN INDUSTRY THAT IS A MAJORITY OF WOMEN CURRENTLY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA. THERE IS MORE ACCEPTANCE OF WOMEN IN OUR INDUSTRY AND MORE ADVANCEMENT NOW. WITH RESPECT TO MINORITIES, I THINK AGAIN WE CAN ENCOURAGE SCREENING AND COUNSELING AND NOT ONLY IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS BUT ALSO THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS WHICH IS THE AGE THAT KIDS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO MODELS AND HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY STUDENTS THAT CAN COME TO THE SCHOOL AND SET UP PROGRAMS SUCH AS WHAT THE EDUCATION INDUSTRY HAS DONE IN PROMOTING MINORITIES.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THAT FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION.
MR. HUDSON: THE FOUR-YEAR SCHOOL I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF. I FINISHED COASTAL MYSELF IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS WHILE WORKING APPROXIMATELY 40 HOURS A WEEK, SO IT CAN BE DONE. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS THAT SOME STUDENTS HAVE IN, AGAIN, CHANGING DIRECTIONS. I HAD MANY FRIENDS THAT DID THAT AND IT TOOK THEM MUCH LONGER THAN IT DID ME. WE CAN INCREASE OUR SCREENING THROUGH ADMISSIONS STANDARDS TO IDENTIFY THOSE STUDENTS THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD WANT TO BE A PART OF THE UNIVERSITY. I THINK WE HAVE AT COASTAL WE HAVE A GREAT FACULTY, ONE THAT WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ME AS I WENT THROUGH. I WAS GIVEN A LOT OF GUIDANCE AND ENCOURAGEMENT. I HAVE REMAINED FRIENDS WITH MANY OF MY INSTRUCTORS FROM COASTAL, AND WE HAVE ALSO GREAT COOPERATION IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY FOR THE SCHOOL. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF IT. SO ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE FACULTY, AGAIN, AND IN THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS AND LOCAL MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND ALSO ENCOURAGEMENT FROM LOCAL INDUSTRIES SUCH AS TOURISM WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST IN OUR AREA, OBVIOUSLY, TO SHOW THE IMPORTANCE OF A DEGREE AND ENCOURAGE THESE STUDENTS TO GET THROUGH SCHOOL AND BECOME A PART OF SOCIETY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS DAVID BOMAR SMITH OF CONWAY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. SMITH: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. SMITH, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. SMITH: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, TO PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. SMITH: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, SIR.
MR. SMITH: SENATOR GLOVER, I THINK, AND I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM ON THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW YOU REPRESENT AMONG YOUR CONSTITUENCY MARLBORO AND DILLON WHERE I GREW UP. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO MINORITIES, ALL THE GOOD INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD DON'T AMOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GO TO COLLEGE. I THINK FINANCIAL AID IS A CRUCIAL THING. I THINK ALSO THAT COUNSELING IS VERY IMPORTANT TOO. SO THAT WHILE I WOULD HOPE THAT MY LITTLE GIRL WHO IS 13 WOULD HAVE HIGH ASPIRATIONS AS A WOMAN ONE DAY EDUCATIONALLY SPEAKING AND NOT JUST IN TRADITIONAL AREAS, AND I THINK THIS HAS TO BE AN ATMOSPHERE THAT HAS TO BE CULTIVATED, BUT ALL THESE THINGS REALLY ARE NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN OR PROGRESS IN THIS AREA UNLESS WE HAVE A FIRM COMMITMENT TO THESE OBJECTIVES BY TRUSTEES, ADMINISTRATORS, FACULTY, AS WELL AS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION.
MR. SMITH: ON THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION, I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. IT'S ONE THAT I HAVE STUDIED SINCE BACK IN THE 1980'S WHEN I WAS ON THE STATE COMMISSION ON HIGHER EDUCATION REPRESENTING WHAT WAS THEN THE SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. ONE THING I THINK THAT JUST TOUCHES BACK ON THE ANSWER I GAVE TO SENATOR GLOVER, KEEPING TUITION REASONABLE IS VERY IMPORTANT. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN COLLEGE KIDS HAVE TO WORK TWO JOBS OR SAY DOWN AT THE COASTAL AREA WORKING AT THE BEACH AS A WAITER OR WAITRESS UNTIL ELEVEN OR TWELVE AT NIGHT, THAT IS GOING TO HURT THEM BEING ABLE TO GRADUATE ON TIME. I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT IS IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THAT SENATOR GIESE MADE REFERENCE TO IS PROPER COUNSELING OF THE STUDENTS AND NOT JUST BY SOCIAL SERVICES OR THE STUDENT SERVICES SECTION BUT BY FACULTY MEMBERS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, EARLY ON, THAT THE STUDENTS IN HIGH SCHOOL BE GIVEN THE PROPER ADVICE ON CAREER ORIENTATION. MYSELF WHEN I GRADUATED FROM DILLON HIGH SCHOOL AND WENT TO UNC CHAPEL HILL, I THOUGHT I WANTED TO BE A BUSINESSMAN, BECAUSE MY FATHER WAS A BUSINESSMAN, BUT I FOUND AFTER A WHILE THAT, NO, I LOVED HISTORY. MY FIFTH GRADE TEACHER, MS. LUPO (PHONETIC) TOLD ME I WOULD BE A GREAT HISTORIAN OR A TEACHER ONE DAY. BUT HAVING THE RIGHT COUNSELING, HAVING SOMEONE TO SAY TO YOU THAT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE REALLY GOOD AT AND ENCOURAGING A PERSON TO GO IN THAT AREA. ON THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION RATE I THINK POSSIBLY WE SHOULD HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON TEACHING BY THE PROFESSORS AT THE UNIVERSITY INSTEAD OF RESEARCH. RESEARCH IS IMPORTANT BUT WE SHOULD KEEP OUR PRIORITIES IN MIND THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WHAT GOES ON IN THAT CLASSROOM BETWEEN THAT PROFESSOR AND HOPEFULLY NOT A GRADUATE ASSISTANT, BUT BETWEEN THE PROFESSOR AND THE STUDENT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. SMITH: AND MR. INABINETT, ON THE NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR ON CAMPUS QUESTION, I THINK NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR CAN BE KEPT AT A VERY MINIMUM IF YOU DO REALLY THREE THINGS: ONE, A CLEAR POLICY, CONCISE POLICY THAT IS DEVELOPED BY THE FACULTY, THE ADMINISTRATION AND TRUSTEES AND STUDENTS SO EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THE RULES ARE OF ACCEPTABLE AND UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. NUMBER TWO, PUBLICIZING THOSE RULES. AND NUMBER 3, A CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE RULES ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. THAT SHOULD MINIMIZE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: OUR NEXT CANDIDATE AND FINAL FOR THE SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IS ROBERT LEE RABON OF CONWAY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. RABON, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. RABON: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. RABON: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. RABON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. RABON: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT, IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD, THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. RABON: I AM PRESENTLY A MEMBER OF THE HORRY COUNTY HIGHER EDUCATION COMMISSION OF WHICH I WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN IF ELECTED.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, SIR.
MR. RABON: SENATOR, THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS ADMIT THERE IS A PROBLEM. I THINK IN OUR SOCIETY WE FAIL TO ADMIT THERE IS A PROBLEM AND YOU CAN'T FIX IT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PROBLEMS, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT AND WON'T GO AWAY OVERNIGHT, BUT IF THE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND BE HONEST AND TALK STRAIGHT TALK RATHER THAN KIDDING THEMSELVES, THEY CAN GET SOMETHING DONE, BUT MOST OF THE THINGS YOU SEE PEOPLE PLAY GAMES ABOUT. EXCUSE ME FOR USING IT IN THIS WAY, IT'S LIKE THROWING A BONE. THERE'S A STEREOTYPE FOR WOMEN THAT YOU HAVE TO BE NURSES, TEACHERS, SECRETARIES, AND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS. ONE IS A SENIOR AT COASTAL CAROLINA WHO IS GOING TO BE A TEACHER, AND IN THE PROCESS I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS A RISING SENIOR AT AYNOR HIGH SCHOOL, AND SHE HAS BEEN TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT SHE WANTS TO MAJOR IN, AND WHAT WE DID, AND I AM VERY CLOSE TO MY GIRLS. I HAVE A THREE-YEAR OLD SON, BUT MY DAUGHTERS AND I ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID, I SAID, SHERRY, IT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND TO START THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION: DO YOU WORK WANT TO WORK OUTDOORS, DO YOU WANT TO WORK INDOORS, DO YOU WANT TO STAY AT HOME AND LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE IN OUR REGION, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE AN ASTROPHYSICIST BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYPLACE FOR YOU TO WORK, AND SO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE AREA. SO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MISSION THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR OWN PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL LIFE AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO AT COASTAL AND HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR SOME YEARS, IT'S CALLED YOUNG PEOPLE'S COLLEGE WHERE EIGHTH GRADERS, KIDS FROM NINE TO 13 YEARS OLD, AND TRY TO DO SOME ORIENTATION FOR THAT, BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A MISSION AND DEFINE IT AND SET SOME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE NEEDS AND ADMIT THERE ARE PROBLEMS, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT IF WE WORK AT IT.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: FOUR-YEAR QUESTION.
MR. RABON: COASTAL CAROLINA IS A LITTLE UNIQUE. I THINK I CAN ADDRESS IT, SIR, PRIMARILY BECAUSE A THIRD OF THE STUDENT POPULATION AT COASTAL IS OVER 35 YEARS OLD; 70 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION OF THE STUDENTS ARE HORRY COUNTY RESIDENTS, SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN AS AT THE OTHER FOUR-YEAR INSTITUTIONS OF THE STATE, BUT I THINK SOMETHING TO MY INVOLVEMENT IN COASTAL, I HAVE BEEN ON THE HIGHER EDUCATION COMMITTEE FOR SEVEN YEARS, I SEE SO MANY KIDS THAT COME TO COLLEGE THAT ARE SO FRUSTRATED. THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMED BY WHAT THEY FIND AND THEY FIND THEY ARE NOT PREPARED, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MATH AND SCIENCES, AND OUR COMMISSION DEVELOPED A PROGRAM FOR TEACHING REMEDIAL MATH AND ENGLISH TO TRY TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF PUTTING IT, AND I FEEL LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA INSTITUTED A LEARNING CENTER FOR SOME OF OUR KIDS. THE MAJORITY OF THE ATTRITION RATE COMES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND SEMESTERS, AND I THINK IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK I THINK YOU WILL FIND THEY JUST WEREN'T PREPARED. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STUDY SKILLS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MATH AND SCIENCE SKILLS AND STUFF, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LOWER ELEMENTARY AND HIGH SCHOOLS AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION IS WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO DO TOO MUCH. WE HAVE ASKED OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO GET AWAY FROM TEACHING, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO DECIDE ISSUES AND DO THINGS FOR KIDS WAY OUT OF THE REALM OF TEACHING, AND I THINK THE BURDEN IS SO GREAT, ESPECIALLY ON MIDDLE AND UPPER SCHOOLS. AND THIS MIGHT BE INAPPROPRIATE BUT ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS FOR THE PARENTS AND THE HOME. I MEAN YOU CAN'T DUMP IT ALL ON THE TEACHERS AND EXPECT THEM TO DO EVERYTHING. IF THEY'RE GOING TO TEACH THEY NEED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE AREA TO TEACH IN, AND I JUST HONESTLY THINK, LIKE THE FOUR-YEAR ISSUE, LIKE ME AS A PARENT, I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS A SENIOR IN COLLEGE AND I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO WILL BE A FRESHMAN IN COASTAL FALL OF '94. IF I AM GOING TO APPLY FOR STUDENT AID, I THINK I OUGHT TO HAVE TO GO IN WITH THAT CHILD. I THINK I SHOULD GO IN AND SIT DOWN AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD SEND A FORM HOME FOR ME TO FILL OUT AND THAT'S ALL I DO. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT TAKES THE DADDIES AND MAMAS TO FILL IT OUT. THEY'RE JUST NOT INTERESTED. BUT IF THEY WANT MONEY OR RESOURCES FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY A PRICE FOR IT, AND AT LEAST GO IN AND SIT DOWN AND TALK TO A COUNSELOR. LET THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE, AND I THINK IF THEY DO, IF YOU GET MORE PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT IS THE KEY TO IT ALL IN MY OPINION.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SAME QUESTION WITH REFERENCE TO NEGATIVE STUDENT BEHAVIOR, THE TRUSTEE'S ROLE?
MR. RABON: I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD, AND I THINK IT'S OUR FUNCTION TO DEVELOP POLICIES TO DEAL WITH THIS THING, BUT IN SOME INSTANCES, SIR, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS; THERE'S NO CLEAR-CUT POLICY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND INDIVIDUALS, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SITUATION AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, AND I THINK THAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PROBLEM AND WHAT IT IS. EVERYTHING IS NOT CUT AND DRY, BUT THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE DISRUPTIVE IN CLASS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, I THINK THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEBODY IS IN CHARGE AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO THAT PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THEM, BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE LISTENED TO, THERE HAVE TO BE COGS SET UP WHERE IF A PERSON HAS A GRIPE OR PROBLEM THEY CAN GO THROUGH THAT COG AND HAVE IT AIRED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. THIS COMPLETES OUR SCREENING OF THE COASTAL CANDIDATES. MR. BARFIELD HAS WITHDRAWN, AND IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, THE COMMITTEE WILL RECEDE FOR FIVE MINUTES BEFORE COMMENCING ON STATE UNIVERSITY CANDIDATES.
(RECESS FROM 10:45 A.M. TO 11 A.M.)

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: OUR FIRST CANDIDATE FROM THE SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT BERNICE S. GILL, ALLENDALE. IS MS. GILL PRESENT? (NO RESPONSE.)
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: NEXT WE WILL GO TO SAM GLOVER OF COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. GLOVER, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. GLOVER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. GLOVER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. GLOVER: NO. NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF ANYWAY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. GLOVER: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. GLOVER: I AM A MEMBER OF THE FOUNDATION BOARD OF THE UNIVERSITY WHICH I WILL RESIGN IF THIS HAPPENS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: I BELIEVE SENATOR GLOVER MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SENATOR GLOVER: YES, AND REALLY FOR ALL OF THE CANDIDATES. REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT ADDRESSED PORTIONS OF THIS WITH THE LAST SCREENING GROUP. FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE UNIVERSITY BOARD, MY QUESTION IS: IN THIS TIME WHEN PUBLIC FUNDS ARE DECREASING, WHAT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO DO AS A TRUSTEE TO ENHANCE AND ENCOURAGE PRIVATE FUNDING FOR THE UNIVERSITY?
MR. GLOVER: WELL, I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE THAT I AM A BUSINESSMAN. I OWN SOME MCDONALD FRANCHISES HERE IN COLUMBIA, AND I CERTAINLY HAVE SOME CONNECTIONS WITH THE CORPORATE WORLD AND CERTAINLY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN IN MY POWER TO MAKE CONTACTS, PERSUADE PEOPLE TO BE UNDERSTANDING AS FAR AS SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY IS CONCERNED, BEING A MINORITY UNIVERSITY. LOT OF TIMES I THINK WE DON'T GO AFTER CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN GET. WE ARE NOT APPROACHING THE CORPORATE WORLD IN THE RIGHT FASHION. I OFTENTIMES SEE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME TO OUR CORPORATION MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN COLUMBIA SOMETIMES, AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST THEY ARE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED AS TO EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE MONEY. WHEN SOMEBODY IS GIVING MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THEY CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THAT MONEY DIRECTED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE IN MIND. IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND IT MAY NOT BE TOTALLY RELATED, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL PROGRAMS AT THE UNIVERSITY AND SEE IF THEY ARE ALL VIABLE PROGRAMS AND PROGRAMS WE SHOULD HAVE. MAYBE WE NEED TO FOCUS IN PARTICULAR AREAS, AREAS THAT INDUSTRY ARE LOOKING FOR AS AN EXAMPLE, OR PUBLIC EDUCATION THAT MAYBE WE CAN FOCUS STUDENTS IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS AND POSSIBLY DO AWAY WITH SOME PROGRAMS AND HAVE MORE MONEY TO USE IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE POSSIBILITIES, BUT I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY IN THE CORPORATE WORLD THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, PARTICULARLY MINORITY INSTITUTIONS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND THE OTHER CANDIDATES: HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES AS IT RELATES TO STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR ON CAMPUS?
MR. GLOVER: WELL, CERTAINLY I THINK THE TRUSTEES ARE THERE TO SET POLICY, NOT TO ENFORCE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THEY SET THEMSELVES, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE POLICIES AND THEY MUST BE ENFORCED BY THE ADMINISTRATION THAT IS THERE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE COUNSELING SESSIONS OR WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO MAKE THESE STUDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE THERE FOR A PURPOSE AND THAT IS TO GET AN EDUCATION, AND IF THAT'S NOT TAKING PLACE THEY NEED TO BE EXPELLED FROM SCHOOL OR NOT ALLOWED TO ATTEND OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT I THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO ADMISSIONS. THE ADMISSION STANDARDS HAVE TO BE SUCH THAT YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL STUDENT BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THEM INTO THE UNIVERSITY AND THAT SHOULD COME ALONG WITH THE GUIDANCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SCHOOL, THE HIGH SCHOOL IN WHICH THEY ATTEND. VERY IMPORTANT. IF THE KID WAS NOT BAD IN HIGH SCHOOL THEN IN MY OPINION HE SHOULDN'T BE A BAD STUDENT IN COLLEGE UNLESS THE ENVIRONMENT HAS ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN, AND IF HE IS BAD IN HIGH SCHOOL THEN NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, HE IS GOING TO BRING THAT SAME KIND OF ATTITUDE TO THE UNIVERSITY. YOU MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AND SHOULD HAVE POLICIES AND RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT HAPPENS.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ALL THE CANDIDATES ANSWERING THIS QUESTION TOO: WHAT WOULD YOU AS A TRUSTEE DO TO ENCOURAGE STUDENTS TO COMPLETE COLLEGE IN A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD, THAT THE OBVIOUS IMPLICATION BEING THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THOSE STUDENTS WHO ARE TAKING LONGER TO GRADUATE; THEREFORE, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AN ADDED COST TO THE TAXPAYERS WHEN THOSE SORT OF SITUATIONS TAKE PLACE, AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS.A. I CERTAINLY THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ADMISSION STANDARDS TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE, WHAT ARE THE SCHOOL'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, ARE THEY GOING OUT ACTUALLY RECRUITING STUDENTS IN MIND, ARE THE AVERAGE STUDENTS GOING TO TAKE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS TO COMPLETE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY SHOULD GO BACK AND REASSESS THEIR ADMISSION STANDARDS SAYING THIS SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON A FOUR-YEAR BASIS. OFTENTIMES I USE THE ANALOGY THAT -- I TAUGHT R.O.T.C. AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE COLLEGE FOR FOUR YEARS, AND I WAS THE ADMISSIONS AND ENROLLMENT OFFICER, AND I NEVER FORGET THIS ONE PARTICULAR STUDENT WHO WAS AN ENGINEERING MAJOR, AND HIS GOAL WAS TO GET OUT IN FOUR YEARS. WELL, AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS HE WAS STRUGGLING TO HAVE A "C" AVERAGE, SO I GUESS I AM TOSSED BETWEEN HERE AS TO WHETHER A STUDENT SHOULD GET OUT IN FOUR YEARS OR RATHER HE SHOULD HANG AROUND ANOTHER SEMESTER OR EXTRA SEMESTER AND HAVE A GOOD GRADE POINT AVERAGE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEGREE AND A "C" AVERAGE IN SCHOOL, WHO IS GOING TO HIRE YOU. SO A LOT OF TIMES I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL STUDENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE NEEDS TO GO BEYOND THAT POINT. BUT CERTAINLY I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH THE FINANCIAL SITUATION AS IT IS, PARTICULARLY COMING FROM THE STATE AND THE CORPORATE WORLD WE NEED TO GET THOSE STUDENTS IN AND OUT WITHIN A FOUR-YEAR TIME PERIOD, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROGRAM OF STUDIES TO SEE WHETHER THERE ARE ANY SUBJECTS THAT NEED TO BE ELIMINATED POSSIBLY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU, MR. GLOVER.
MR. GLOVER: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS TONY GRANT OF COLUMBIA, I UNDERSTAND, IS STRANDED IN FLORIDA.
FROM THERE, WE GO TO CAROLYN MCIVER SMITH OF COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. SMITH.
DR. SMITH: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. SMITH: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. SMITH, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. SMITH: YES, I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN YOUR FULL CAPACITY?
DR. SMITH: NO, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. SMITH: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. SMITH: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SENATOR GLOVER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
SENATOR GLOVER: DR. MCIVER SMITH, AS A TRUSTEE WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE THE ROLE OF A BOARD TO IMPROVE OR ENHANCE CORPORATE LEVEL FUNDING?
DR. SMITH: FIRST OF ALL, SINCE THE BOARD IS TO SET POLICY, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD LOOK AT OVERALL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING, NOT ONLY FROM STATE APPROPRIATIONS BUT PHILANTHROPISTS AS WELL. IN THOSE AREAS THAT GRANTS MAY BE SECURED, THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO FOLLOW THROUGH IN WRITING GRANTS, AND APPEAL TO BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY TO ASSIST THE SCHOOL, HOWEVER, EMPHASIS IS BEING PLACED ON FEMALES, SPECIAL EMPHASIS, AND THAT SPECIAL EFFORTS COULD BE MADE ON THEIR BEHALF, ESPECIALLY SINCE MANY FEMALES ARE THE MAJOR SOURCE OF FAMILY INCOME, THAT FUNDS BE DIRECTED TO THEM FOR SPECIAL ASSISTANCE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION.
DR. SMITH: I FEEL THAT STUDENTS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS, HOWEVER, I DO THINK PLANNING SHOULD TAKE PLACE AS WELL. IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THE STUDENT IF THEY REACHED THEIR SENIOR LEVEL AND THE NECESSARY OR REQUIRED COURSE THAT IS NEEDED IS NOT OFFERED, SO IT WILL TAKE OVERALL PLANNING FROM THE STUDENTS' PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THE INSTITUTION. WHEN THE STUDENT COMES TO THE INSTITUTION AS A FRESHMAN, THE COUNSELORS AND THE ADVISORS CAN ASSIST IN THAT MANNER AND IN MAPPING OUT THE VARIOUS COURSES AND THE VARIOUS TIME LINES AND WHICH WOULD ENABLE THEM TO GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS; BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO TAKE SUCH A STRENUOUS LOAD AND THEY POSSIBLY WOULD NEED MORE TIME.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: DR. SMITH, THE SAME QUESTION: HOW DO YOU VIEW THE ROLE OF TRUSTEES AS IT RELATES TO NEGATIVE STUDENT BEHAVIOR?
DR. SMITH: THE ROLE OF A TRUSTEE IS TO DEVELOP POLICY AND ESTABLISH POLICY, AND THE ROLE OF THE UNIVERSITY OFFICIAL IS TO SEE THAT THE POLICIES ARE IMPLEMENTED. IN CASE OF ABNORMAL OR ERRONEOUS BEHAVIOR, I FEEL THAT THE INSTITUTION, BEGINNING WITH THE CLASSROOM TEACHERS, SHOULD BECOME INVOLVED. ONE CAN REGULATE BEHAVIOR, BUT YOU CAN'T REGULATE POLICY. IF YOU HAVE A POLICY IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FOLLOWED THROUGH, BUT WHEN STUDENTS ARE HAVING ERRONEOUS BEHAVIOR YOU MUST COUNSEL AT THE HIGHEST, SEEK SOLUTIONS AND TRY TO OFFER ALTERNATIVES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. SMITH, HAVE YOU EVER SERVED ON ANOTHER BOARD OR COMMITTEE?
DR. SMITH: NO, NONE OTHER THAN STATE COLLEGE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THAT WAS IT. BUT YOU ARE NOT PRESENTLY ON IT, ARE YOU?
DR. SMITH: NO, SIR, I AM NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS FROM THE FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SEAT FOUR, KATHY EDWARDS BELL OF SPARTANBURG. SHE IS NOT PRESENT? (NO RESPONSE.)
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: WE GO NEXT, THEN, TO DR. JAMES LUTHER BULLARD OF TAYLORS.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. BULLARD, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. BULLARD: YES, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. BULLARD: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS WHICH THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
DR. BULLARD: NONE THAT I AM COGNIZANT OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. BULLARD: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITIONS OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. BULLARD: I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: YOUR ROLE AS A TRUSTEE IN FUNDING.
DR. BULLARD: I CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT IN THIS TIME OF DIFFICULT FINANCES, NOT JUST IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA BUT INTERNATIONALLY THAT IT IS A PROBLEM. THE ROLE OF THE TRUSTEE, I THINK, IS PARAMOUNT IN ASCERTAINING FUNDS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE RUNNING OF THE UNIVERSITY. AS BUSINESS OWNER, I FEEL THAT I POSSESS THE NECESSARY SKILLS AND EXPERTISE TO INTERFACE WITH THE CORPORATE WORLD TO HELP SOLICIT FUNDS THAT FOUNDATIONS AND OTHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE WELFARE OF SOUTH CAROLINA STATE, PRIVATE ENTREPRENEURS, AND THE LIKE, COULD POOL THE RESOURCES THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH STATE FUNDING AND OTHER FUNDING THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE STUDENTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED, AND IF THEY ARE REALLY SERVING THE NEEDS OF STUDENTS OR WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED; NOT CHANGED FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE SO THAT BETTER EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE MAY BE UTILIZED FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE STUDENTS, SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY FAMILY AND THE CITIZENRY OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND TAXPAYERS.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SAME QUESTION WITH REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEE'S ROLE IN DISCIPLINE SITUATIONS?
DR. BULLARD: FIRST OF ALL, TRUSTEES' ROLE IS PRIMARILY THAT OF POLICYMAKING, WORKING IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND THE PRESIDENT BEING VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT PROCESS. WITH STUDENT BEHAVIOR AS A TRUSTEE I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT POLICY IS MADE SO THAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT OF STUDENT AFFAIRS WOULD HAVE DIRECTED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY CARRYING OUT OF POLICIES THAT ARE MADE BY THE BOARD AT LARGE, SO I WOULD WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO SEE THAT POLICY WAS THERE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN CATEGORY ONE DECISION MAKING, BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO A JOB THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: I WOULD ASK YOUR COMMENTS ON THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION.
DR. BULLARD: THE SITUATION RELATIVE TO ATTRITION AND ENROLLMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT STUDENTS ARE MAINTAINED AND GRADUATE ON TIME, I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. FIRST OF ALL, AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ADMISSIONS AND LOOK AT THE CURRENT ADMISSION STANDARDS, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT DATA, AND IF WE LOOK AT THAT DATA WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS, SOME COMMON SENSE DECISIONS. AND IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, CURRICULUM AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE KEEPING STUDENTS IF THEY ARE NOT GRADUATING FROM GRADUATING. I WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS, AND I WOULD ASK THESE QUESTIONS AS WE FORMULATE POLICY TOGETHER: IS THE PROGRAM REALISTIC FOR THE TIME EXPECTATIONS? IS THE PROGRAM MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE STUDENTS? WHAT IS IT THAT THE SOCIETY AT LARGE NEEDS AS FAR AS GRADUATES? WHAT ARE THEY DEMANDING? WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE, IF ANY? IF STUDENTS ARE NOT GRADUATING IN FOUR YEARS THEN THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME PROBLEMS IF THAT IS THE INTENT, SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS TO LOOK AT AND IDENTIFY WHAT THE PROBLEMATIC AREA IS, AND BE ABLE TO, IF YOU WILL, ITEMIZE AND CREATE AN AGENDA OF WHICH WOULD INVOLVE MANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THE AREA OF EDUCATION TO HELP US SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE POLICY IN HAND TO MAKE SURE AND THEY WOULD HAVE SOME MEANS OF FOLLOW-UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABOUT DOING WHAT THE MISSION, THE ROLE, AND THE SCOPE OF THE UNIVERSITY IS TO BE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, DOCTOR. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS VANESSA STUCKEY OF GREENVILLE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. STUCKEY, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. STUCKEY: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. STUCKEY: I CAN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. STUCKEY: NONE THAT I AM AWARE OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. STUCKEY: NO, SIR. I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. STUCKEY: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, MA'AM.
MS. STUCKEY: CONSIDERING FUNDING FOR TODAY'S INSTITUTIONS, AND PARTICULARLY MINORITY INSTITUTIONS, I THINK AS HAS BEEN THE COURSE ALL ALONG WE HAVE HAD TO LOOK AT CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF DEFINITE POSITION SET FOR GRANT WRITING. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY A LOT OF FUNDS ARE BROUGHT INTO INSTITUTIONS, BE IT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. THAT GRANT WRITER WILL TAKE THE FACULTY, THE SCHOOL STAFF, AND PUT THEM IN THE DIRECTION TO WRITING MORE GRANTS TO CORPORATE STRUCTURE TO BRING MORE FUNDS INTO THE SCHOOL. SECONDLY, I THINK THE SCHOOLS NEED TO LOOK INTO ENDOWMENT FUNDS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ENDOWMENT FUND THAT WILL TAKE US THROUGH TIMES WHEN THEY ARE RATHER LEAN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I AM A GRADUATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY, AND I HAVE NOTICED SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE GOTTEN IN THE MAIL FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT'S VERY EVIDENT WE ARE COURTING THE CORPORATE STRUCTURE, AND THAT IS VERY POSITIVE, AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF GIMMICKS. I WON'T SAY GIMMICKS, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL GENERATE FUNDS FOR SOUTH CAROLINA STATE COLLEGE UTILIZING THINGS WE ARE ALREADY DOING; FOR INSTANCE, THE CREDIT CARD. SOME OF US ARE ALREADY USING THOSE, BUT NOW WE GET A CHANCE TO HELP OUR SCHOOL AS WELL AS OURSELVES. AND ALUMNI SUPPORT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. MOST OF US WHO ARE HERE, IT'S VERY EVIDENT WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE HERE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN AS MUCH AS REQUIRED, AND IT IS TIME FOR US TO GIVE BACK, AND IT WILL MEAN DIGGING DEEP, BUT THERE IS A TIME THAT SOMEONE DUG DEEPLY FOR US.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION WITH REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEE'S ROLE AS IT RELATES TO STUDENT NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR?
MS. STUCKEY: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR, AND I HAVE NOTICED THESE ARE DESPERATE TIMES, PERIOD, AND PEOPLE DO DESPERATE THINGS, AND I SEE THAT ON THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, AND I LOOK AT SOME OF THE STUDENTS AND I WONDER IF THEY DOING THIS NOW, HEAVEN KNOWS WHAT THEY'LL DO WHEN THEY GET IN COLLEGE. WE NEED A BOARD THAT WILL SET POLICY, THAT WILL HOLD STUDENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, AND THAT ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE VERY STRONG AND ENFORCE THOSE POLICIES TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE, AND AS LONG AS STUDENTS KNOW THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE, THEY ARE AWARE OF WHAT GOES ON AND WHEN, I THINK THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF QUITE A FEW OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH STUDENTS IN COLLEGE AND NEGATIVE SITUATIONS.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: SAME QUESTION ON THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION.
MS. STUCKEY: TO THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION, I HAVE TO USE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I HAD GRANDIOSE IDEAS AS A FRESHMAN. I WANTED TO MAJOR IN EVERYTHING, AND SO I HAD IN THE BACK OF MY MIND IT WAS A FOUR-YEAR STEP, AND IT WAS A MATTER OF ECONOMICS THAT WAS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO TOWARD MY JUNIOR YEAR, I HAD TO RESHAPE MY THINKING AND ACT ACCORDINGLY, AND I HAD TO DO DOUBLE DUTY. MOST SENIORS WERE READY TO GET ON OUT THEIR SENIOR YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS STILL BACK DOING WHAT IT TOOK TO GRADUATE, AND I HAD A VERY HEAVY LOAD, BUT THEN, AGAIN, I KNEW THAT THAT WAS REQUIRED AND I WAS ABLE TO RISE TO THAT OCCASION. WITH STUDENTS WHO ARE ENTERING SOUTH CAROLINA STATE OR ANY UNIVERSITY, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE HIGH STANDARDS, NOT SO HIGH THAT THEY ARE INSURMOUNTABLE, BUT STUDENTS NEED TO HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS. AS A FRESHMAN IN 1977, I HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO BUT I WASN'T SURE. AND THE MOMENT I STEPPED IN FRESHMAN ORIENTATION AND STARTED CALLING MAJORS, I TOTALLY FROZE UP. KNEW NOTHING TO DO. LUCKILY THERE WAS SOMEONE AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE, A DEPARTMENT, THAT TOOK CARE OF THOSE OF US WHO WERE NOT SURE, AND WE WENT IN, THEY NURTURED US THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN I WAS ABLE -- THEY HELPED ME TO FOCUS ON WHAT I WANTED AND MY INSTRUCTORS WERE VERY INVOLVED WITH WHAT I WAS DOING. I WAS VANESSA STUCKEY, AND THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHO I WAS AND WHAT I COULD DO, AND IF THERE WAS A TIME I SLIPPED, THEY WOULD LET ME KNOW IMMEDIATELY, AND IT WAS NOT A GOOD THING, I DIDN'T THINK AT THE TIME, TO GET A CALL FROM ONE OF YOUR INSTRUCTORS "PLEASE SEE ME AT THREE O'CLOCK," BUT NOW THAT I AM OUT OF SCHOOL AND I HAVE HINDSIGHT I SEE THAT WAS A VERY POSITIVE MOVE. BUT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE STILL PROVIDES THAT NURTURING ATMOSPHERE AND AS A BOARD MEMBER I WOULD TRY TO INSURE THAT IT STILL MAINTAINS A VERY CLOSE KNIT FACULTY THAT PROVIDES THAT POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS VERY STRICT -- NOT STRICT -- THAT IS NOT THE WORD I AM LOOKING FOR -- VERY POWERFUL COUNSELING CENTER BE IT CAREER COUNSELING OR COUNSELING TO KEEP THE STUDENT FOCUSED ON WHAT HE OR SHE IS ABOUT TO DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU MA'AM. NOW WE GO TO THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. LILLIAN GILL OF ROCK HILL HAS WITHDRAWN. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS DORIS GATHINGS JOHNSON OF ROCK HILL.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. JOHNSON, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. JOHNSON: I DO. SIR I HOPE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ME. I HAVE LARYNGITIS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: YES, MA'AM. WE WILL TRY TO BEAR WITH YOU. I WILL EXCUSE YOU FROM SHOUTING. CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. JOHNSON: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. JOHNSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. JOHNSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITIONS OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. JOHNSON: I DO NOT.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION: AS A TRUSTEE, YOUR ROLE OR THE BOARD'S ROLE IN FUNDING.
MS. JOHNSON: I HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT CORPORATE FUNDING. I THINK THAT PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS SHOULD GO OUT AND SEEK CORPORATE FUNDING, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE THROUGH PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. I AM NOT SURE THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER COULD GO OUT AND SEEK CORPORATE FUNDING. I THINK THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER SHOULD BE IN ACCORD WITH IT BEING DONE. I AM MORE IN ACCORD WITH ALUMNI AFFAIRS SENDING OUT STUDENTS WHO ARE PREPARED TO GIVE BACK TO THE INSTITUTION.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM IN REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEE'S ROLE AS IT RELATES TO STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR.
MS. JOHNSON: IT'S BEEN STATED HERE, AND I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THE TRUSTEE IS TO SET POLICY. THEY ARE ALSO TO HAVE PEOPLE IN PLACE WHO CAN CARRY OUT THE POLICY. I DO NOT FEEL IT'S THE TRUSTEES' DUTY TO IMPLEMENT THE POLICY BUT ONLY TO MAKE IT. WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT WE GET STRONG PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS THAT CAN CARRY OUT THE POLICY ONCE IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: MS. JOHNSON, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WISH WE HAD LARYNGITIS. BUT I WOULD ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION.
MS. JOHNSON: I THINK THAT STUDENTS VERY OFTEN HAVE TO PROGRESS AT THEIR OWN RATE OF ABILITY. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA A WORKING TOGETHER WITH HIGH SCHOOL GUIDANCE COUNSELORS AND ADMISSION OFFICERS FROM THE VARIOUS SCHOOLS. I FEEL THAT WE HAVE NOT SET THE POLICY SO THAT IT'S GETTING OUT TO THE STUDENTS WHAT COLLEGE IS ALL ABOUT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO SEND STUDENTS TO COLLEGE WHO ARE READY TO BE ABLE TO GRADUATE OR AT LEAST WITH A MINDSET THAT THEY CAN GRADUATE AFTER FOUR YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INTERRELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELORS AND THE ADMISSION OFFICES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: PATRICIA M. HENEGAN OF BENNETTSVILLE IS THE NEXT CANDIDATE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. HENEGAN, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. HENEGAN: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. HENEGAN: YES, SIR, I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD CAUSE---
MS. HENEGAN: NONE THAT I KNOW OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. HENEGAN: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITIONS OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. HENEGAN: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: MS. HENEGAN, SAME QUESTION: THE BOARD'S ROLE IN FUNDING.
MS. HENEGAN: I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS QUESTION LONG AND HARD FROM THE OTHER CANDIDATES, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS I WOULD DO. PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD USE YOUR TOTAL BOARD TO SEEK FUNDING. I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE EXPERTISE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON YOUR BOARD, AND IN MAKING THAT DECISION, THEN FORMULATE A TEAM APPROACH TO HANDLE THIS. ALSO I WOULD ENCOURAGE BOARDS TO DEVELOP A TEAM FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING PACKETS TOGETHER FOR JUST THAT PURPOSE OF SOLICITING MONEY. IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON YOUR BOARD WHO ARE GRANT WRITERS THEN YOU SHOULD USE THAT EXPERTISE. I KNOW AT HOME THAT IS ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES. I JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED $38,000 FROM THE BEARDEN FOUNDATION WHICH I CONSIDER AN HONOR AND MY SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES ALSO. I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE POINT OF SEEING WHAT COMMITTEES PEOPLE ARE ON. FOR EXAMPLE, LEADERSHIP SOUTH CAROLINA IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET OTHER PARTNERS IN BUSINESS TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD OFFER YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT OR YOUR COLLEGES, AND I THINK THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. MAY I ADD ONE OTHER THAT I WOULD LIKE TOO: YOU CAN NEVER FORGET ALUMNI. I KNOW CONSTANTLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR WE RECEIVE IN THE MAIL LITTLE ENVELOPES SAYING PLEASE CONTRIBUTE BACK TO YOUR SCHOOL. I SINCERELY THINK THAT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND STILL SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO DO SO.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: COULD I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION WITH REFERENCE TO STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR?
MS. HENEGAN: I AM A PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE, AND WHEN I SEE ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE I LOOK AT THE FORMULA THAT YOU ESTABLISH RULES BUT YOU ESTABLISH RULES USING THE STUDENTS AND USING YOUR STAFF AND ALSO USING YOUR ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PERSON WAS VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE RULES; IN FACT, WE HAVE A CLOSE-KNIT GROUP AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT TEACHERS SHOULD DISCUSS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEN I WOULD MAKE SURE THOSE POLICIES, OR WHATEVER WAS PROVIDED, WAS ENFORCED.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR QUESTION, PLEASE.
MS. HENEGAN: I GRADUATED IN THREE YEARS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE. I HAD TO SEND MYSELF THROUGH SCHOOL. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN, ONE THAT FINISHED IN FOUR YEARS AND SHE IS NOW WORKING ON HER MASTER'S, AND I HAVE A SON WHO WILL PROBABLY FINISH IN FIVE YEARS HOPEFULLY. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ADMISSIONS PROCESS. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO CHILDREN. FOR ONE THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO AT A LOCAL LEVEL, AND THAT IS START IN YOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, IT IS SO UNFAIR TO START A CAREER GOAL PROGRAM IN YOUR HIGH SCHOOL. CHILDREN IN ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS ARE READY TO SET GOALS. I KNEW BACK IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT I WANTED TO BE A TEACHER BECAUSE OF MY TEACHERS. IT'S NOT JUST A COUNSELOR'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT IT'S ALSO THE TEACHER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP STUDENTS TO SET THOSE GOALS. I THINK THE COLLEGES NEED TO COME IN AND WORK WITH NOT JUST YOUR HIGH SCHOOLS BUT A STRONG CAREER SETTING GOALS WITH ALL LEVELS OF YOUR SCHOOL: ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, AS WELL AS HIGH SCHOOLS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. ALSO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PLANNING PROCESS IN PLACE AT YOUR COLLEGES. IF WE DON'T, YOU WILL NEVER SUCCEED TO FINISH IN FOUR YEARS.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT WE HAVE DOROTHY JEAN KILLIAN OF ROCK HILL. MS. KILLIAN IS NOT PRESENT. CHERYL S. MCFADDEN OF ROCK HILL HAS CALLED AND IS HAVING CAR TROUBLE. SHE HASN'T ARRIVED YET. NEXT IS J.E. PENDERGRASS OF ROCK HILL. I KNOW WE HAVE DR. J.W. SANDERS OF GAFFNEY.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. SANDERS, WILL YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. SANDERS: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. SANDERS, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. SANDERS: I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
DR. SANDERS: NONE THAT I KNOW OF, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. SANDERS: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST, IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD, THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. SANDERS: I HOLD AN OFFICE ON THE ELECTION COMMISSION OF THE CHEROKEE COUNTY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: BUT YOU WOULD FOREGO THAT IF YOU WERE ELECTED?
DR. SANDERS: I WOULD.
SENATOR GLOVER: DOCTOR SANDERS, SAME QUESTION SIR: THE BOARD'S ROLE OR TRUSTEES' ROLE IN FUNDING.
DR. SANDERS: I SAT AND LISTENED TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE PRECEDED ME AND THEY HAVE VOICED MANY OF THE SAME IDEAS I HAVE IN REGARD TO THE TRUSTEES' ROLE. THAT ITS MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO SET POLICY FOR THE SCHOOL. BUT IN THAT INSTANCE WE CERTAINLY SHOULD BE VERY MINDFUL OF THE NEED OF RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THAT SCHOOL TO SEE TO IT THAT IT OFFERS THE VERY BEST THAT IT CAN TO THOSE STUDENTS WHO ATTEND, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT OF ANY SCHOOL IS ITS STUDENTS, AND WHEN WE SEEK THOSE MEANS OF FUNDING WHEREBY TO ENHANCE THEIR LIVES WITH THE NEEDED EXPERIENCES THAT ARE THERE, THEN WE OUGHT TO DO ALL THAT IS WITHIN OUR POWER TO SEE TO IT THAT WE DO JUST THAT. AND I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO STRIVE TO WORK TOWARD THAT GOAL, AND I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL OR WHEREVER YOU DO RECEIVE MUCH LARGER AMOUNTS AND GRANTS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THERE IS ALSO THAT GRASS ROOT LEVEL THAT WE FEEL OUGHT TO BE RESOURCE THAT SHOULD BE TAPPED, AND BY SO DOING I FEEL THAT IT WILL SERVE A DUAL PURPOSE; IT MAKES OTHERS AWARE OF THE SCHOOL AND WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER WHEN YOU KEEP IT BEFORE THEM IN REGARDS TO THEIR NEEDS. I CONCUR WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THE ALUMNI OF THE SCHOOL CERTAINLY PLAYS ONE, IF NOT THE GREATEST, ROLE IN DOING JUST THAT, SEEING TO IT THAT IT'S DONE.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU, DR. SANDERS, WITH REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEES' ROLE AS IT RELATES TO STUDENT NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR.
DR. SANDERS: I CERTAINLY FEEL THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND IS THAT DISCIPLINE IS NECESSARY IN ANY PHASE OR FACET OF ONE'S LIFE, WHATEVER HIS ENDEAVORS MIGHT BE, AND CERTAINLY IN THE AREA OF SCHOOL AND ITS ACTIVITIES. IT IS A MUST IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SUCCESS, AND THE BEST OF THAT STUDENT'S LIFE IS ENHANCED, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND THEN TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY IN TIMES LIKE THESE WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT CONFRONT OUR STUDENTS, BUT WE OUGHT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED BY THOSE WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT THEM, AND WE SHOULD LET THAT BE WITHIN THE REALM OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF OF THAT SCHOOL TO SEE TO IT THAT THAT'S DONE. I THINK THAT THE TRUSTEES OUGHT TO ALWAYS STRIVE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION IN REGARDS TO THAT. OF COURSE, LOOKING AT EVERY PART AND PHASE OF THE PARTICULAR INCIDENT THAT MIGHT ARISE IN THAT, I DO FEEL THAT THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING WE JUST CAN'T DO -- THERE'S AN OLD ADAGE THAT SAYS AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE, AND IF WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN THESE SCHOOLS, WE OUGHT TO MAYBE TRY TO SEE TO IT THAT SOME PLANS OR POLICIES ARE MADE THAT CAN PREVENT THOSE PARTICULAR INCIDENTS FROM OCCURRING, AND WE SHOULD LEND OURSELVES TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES TO TRY TO RESOLVE THEM.
SENATOR MACAULAY: DR. SANDERS, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES AS TO THE FOUR-YEAR ACADEMIC PROGRAM. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?
DR. SANDERS: WELL, I DO FEEL THAT THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH OUR CONSIDERATION AND WOULD BE TO THE TRUSTEE BOARD TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THAT THAT STUDENT WOULD BE GRADUATING FROM SCHOOL. CERTAINLY THE FOUR-YEAR GOAL IS ONE THAT IS VERY MUCH ATTAINABLE AND IF THE NECESSARY GUIDANCE IS GIVEN, AND WE DO FEEL THAT IT OUGHT TO BE GIVEN EARLY ON, NOT WAITING UNTIL LATER. I HEARD SOMEONE REFER TO IT THAT IT SHOULD START MUCH EARLIER THAN JUST WHEN HE ENTERS THE SCHOOL, AND IF WE DO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS OR DEAL WITH THE NEEDED GUIDANCE IN DIRECTING THAT STUDENT BEGINNING EARLY ON AS TO WHAT HIS CAREER DESIRES MIGHT BE OR HIS AMBITIONS ARE, I THINK THAT THAT PROBLEM CAN BE RESOLVED TO A GREAT EXTENT; HOWEVER, WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THERE ARE ABILITIES AND CAPABILITIES THAT ARE DIFFERENT IN STUDENTS AND THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT I DO FEEL WE OUGHT TO LEND OUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO SEE TO IT THAT FOUR YEARS IN COLLEGE FOR THE UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT IS CERTAINLY DESIRABLE IN EVERY PHASE AND FACET OF IT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, SIR. OUR LAST CANDIDATE FOR SEAT FIVE IS GLORIA SCOTT OF NEWBERRY.

MS. SCOTT: GOOD MORNING.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. SCOTT: YES, SIR, I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. SCOTT, CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. SCOTT: I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MS. SCOTT: NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. SCOTT: NO. NOT I KNOW OF.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. SCOTT: NO, SIR, I DON'T.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SENATOR GLOVER, I BELIEVE, HAS A QUESTION.
MS. SCOTT: AS I SAT THERE AND LISTENED TO THE VARIOUS ONES TELLING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO WHEN THEY GET ON THE BOARD, I CAME IN THIS MORNING WITH ONE THING IN MIND: IF APPOINTED, WILL SERVE. AND AS LONG AS IT TAKES AND WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR ME TO DO, I WILL DO THAT AS A MEMBER. NOW AS TO STAND HERE AND SAY THAT WE WILL COURT ALL CORPORATIONS, WE WILL WORK WITH THE ALUMNI OF THE SCHOOL, WE WILL WRITE LETTERS TO THIS ONE AND THAT ONE, I WILL NOT SAY THAT, BECAUSE I FEEL WHEN YOU ARE ON A BOARD, A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, YOU ARE DIVIDED INTO GROUPS, AND THOSE THINGS THAT YOU ARE BETTER AT, THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU WILL WORK AT. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I AM GOOD AT, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS AM NOT SO GOOD AT, SO I WILL CHOOSE THAT AREA THAT I AM BEST AT. BUT WHATEVER THEY DO, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COURTED BY THE ENTIRE BOARD. WE SHOULD BE IN ACCORD WITH WHATEVER THEY DO TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THE SCHOOL. FIRST OF ALL, WE WILL SEE THAT SOUTH CAROLINA GIVES SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY ITS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR.
MS. SCOTT: I TAUGHT SCHOOL FOR 36 YEARS AND IN THAT 36 YEARS I SEE THAT THE PART OF OUR SCHOOL THAT IS REALLY KILLING US IS FOURTH GRADE, ESPECIALLY WITH YOUNG MALES. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY DOWN THERE TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THEM TO FEEL THAT THEY'RE SOMEBODY AND WANT TO BE SOMEBODY AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO, BUT IT'S BEGINNING AROUND THE FOURTH GRADE THAT OUR LITTLE BOYS FEEL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT. THE BIGGEST THING I CAN DO, BECAUSE THEY TELL ME EVERY DAY, MS. SCOTT, WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU ANY DAY, WE MAKE FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY WHEN YOU'RE ONLY MAKING WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR THE YEAR. SO WITH THIS IN MIND, WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY DOWN THERE TO ENCOURAGE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THERE IS A BETTER WORLD OUT THERE FOR THEM AND THAT THEY ARE A PART OF IT. I DON'T BELIEVE IN SETTING STANDARDS, NO, JUST TO ACCOMMODATE ME, BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED TEACHING SCHOOL, I GRADUATED IN 1956, AND AT THAT TIME THEY HAD JUST STARTED WITH THE, I GUESS THE TEACHER'S EXAMINATION, AND IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET INTO SCHOOL THEY WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE SET YOUR STANDARDS LOWER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I THINK THE STANDARDS SHOULD BE SET ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR EVERYBODY AND LET ME MEET YOUR STANDARDS, AND FOR THE STUDENTS THAT COME TO STATE OR ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN SOUTH CAROLINA LET THOSE STUDENTS MEET THE STANDARDS. IF IT'S TOO HIGH, THEN MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO TRY IT. WHAT I THINK OF THE FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM?
SENATOR GLOVER: YES.
MS. SCOTT: I HAVE THREE CHILDREN. BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I ARE IN EDUCATION. MY HUSBAND PASSED LAST YEAR. WE ENCOURAGED THIS FOUR YEARS. NO MORE, NO LESS, WE CAN'T AFFORD NO MORE, NO LESS; IF YOU WANT MORE, YOU CAN DO IT. MY DAUGHTER SAID, "GOOD, MAMA, THANK YOU." SO SHE SAID, I WILL DO MY FOUR YEARS, THEN AFTER I HAVE DONE MY FOUR YEARS IF I WANT TO DO ANY MORE, I WILL DO IT. I SAID WE WILL GIVE YOU THE FIRST FOUR YEARS. AND SO SHE DID HERS IN FOUR YEARS AND DECIDED SHE WOULD GO ON FOR HER PH.D. WHICH IS FINE. MY OLDEST BOY, OF COURSE HE WENT TO SCHOOL AND HE TOLD THEM I HAVE FOUR YEARS HERE. SEE, PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE UP IN THEIR MIND WHAT IS GOOD FOR ME, NOT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. YOU CAN JOIN ALL THE SORORITIES AND FRATERNITIES ON CAMPUS. THEY ARE ALL SORORITY AND FRATERNITY PEOPLE, TOO. AND YOU CAN GRADUATE SUMMA CUM LAUDE, OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT IT HAS TO BE INSTILLED IN THE INDIVIDUAL, "I WANT TO DO THIS." BUT, YES, WE GAVE THEM FOUR YEARS. ANYTHING ABOVE FOUR YEARS, THEY HAD TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES, SO IN FOUR YEARS THEY GRADUATED. I ENCOURAGE FOUR YEARS, AND I SAY IF THE PROGRAM IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR FOUR YEARS, THEN MAYBE THE SCHOOL HAS TO DO SOMETHING TO THE PROGRAM, THEY'RE EITHER PUTTING IN TOO MUCH OR PUTTING IN THINGS NOT NECESSARY, BUT I ENCOURAGE FOUR YEARS THE PARENTS GIVE THE CHILDREN, AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD BRING IN THE PARENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, AND SAY NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND GET TOGETHER ON IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD, AND IF APPOINTED, I WILL SERVE. THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT WE GO TO AT-LARGE SEAT 11. OUR FIRST CANDIDATE IS ARNOLD COLLINS OF CHARLESTON.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. COLLINS, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. COLLINS: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. COLLINS: YES, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MR. COLLINS: NO, SIR. NONE SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. COLLINS: NONE, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. COLLINS: NONE, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, YES, SIR.
MR. COLLINS: ABOUT CORPORATE?
SENATOR GLOVER: WELL, JUST BASICALLY FUNDING, AND REALLY NOT TO ADD ANYTHING DIFFERENT FOR THE OTHER APPLICANTS THAT ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN VERY GOOD ANSWERS, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW PERSONALLY WHY I THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO HIGHER EDUCATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO RETURN TO THEM $30 MILLION. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ALLOWED US TO BE ABLE TO RETURN NINE, SO WE ARE $21 MILLION SHORT OF WHAT HIGHER ED NEEDS FOR OPERATION. SOUTH CAROLINA STATE IS DEFINITELY A PART OF THAT. NOW THE BOARD MEMBERS, TRUSTEE MEMBERS, WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. I AM SIMPLY ASKING WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR ROLE OUGHT TO BE THERE?
MR. COLLINS: SENATOR, THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THAT DIRECTION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE BOARD'S POLICIES, ONE OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSES IS TO ADVISE AND CONSENT AND SET POLICY, BUT I THINK THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TRUSTEE IS TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THE SCHOOL. THAT WOULD BE MY PRIMARY GOAL. IN ADDITION, I THINK WHAT MY PRIMARY GOAL WOULD BE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS. WHEN YOU GET CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP, YOU GET MORE THAN JUST DOLLARS, YOU GET CORPORATE PARTICIPATION AS WELL. I WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE BOARD COMING UP WITH A CORPORATE STRATEGY TO DEVELOP FUNDS FROM THE CORPORATE ARENA AND THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD CAN USE OUR INDIVIDUAL PERSONALITIES AND DIFFERENCES AND STRENGTHS TO IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY. BUT I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST YOU HAVE TO RAISE FUNDS, BECAUSE THE FEDERAL DOLLARS WILL CONTINUE TO DWINDLE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. COLLINS, AS IT RELATES TO THE TRUSTEES' ROLE WITH REFERENCE TO NEGATIVE STUDENT BEHAVIOR.
MR. COLLINS: SIR, I DON'T COMPROMISE WITH NEGATIVE STUDENT BEHAVIOR. I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO. I SERVED ON SOUTH CAROLINA STATE'S BOARD FROM 1983 TO 1989, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU VERY QUICKLY WHAT WE DID. WE SET A POLICY TO THE BOARD WHERE THE DEAN OF STUDENTS WOULD INVENTORY THE STUDENTS' DORMITORY ROOM WITH THE STUDENT, AND THEY TOGETHER INVENTORIED THE ROOM AND STUDENTS SIGNED OF THE CONDITION THAT ROOM WAS IN. IF ANY DAMAGE TO THAT ROOM OCCURRED DURING THE YEAR THE STUDENT PAID FOR OR HE GOT NO DEGREE OR GOT NO SCHOOL GRADES, AND IT WAS JUST UNACCEPTABLE THAT PLUMBING WAS TORN OFF THE WALLS AND HOLES WERE KNOCKED. THAT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE. YOU CAN'T GIVE US ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING MONEY IN REPAIRS UNNECESSARILY. SO THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE VANDALISM OF THE SCHOOL WHEN WE HAD THE STUDENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THE INVENTORY WAS AND THEY HAD TO PAY FOR ANY DAMAGE, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IF I AM BACK AGAIN.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: SINCE SENATOR MACAULAY EXCUSED HIMSELF I WILL ASK YOU THE QUESTION CONCERNING THE FOUR YEARS.
MR. COLLINS: THAT IS A TWO-SIDED QUESTION. LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY: I THINK THAT ALL STUDENTS OUGHT TO BE ENCOURAGED TO FINISH THEIR DISCIPLINE IN FOUR ACADEMIC YEARS. I THINK SOME STUDENTS ARE TO BE ENCOURAGED TO COME OUT IN FIVE. MY SON IS PRESENTLY A SENIOR AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE, AND HE AND I TOGETHER MADE THE DECISION HE WILL COME OUT IN FIVE YEARS. HE WILL COME OUT AFTER FOUR ACADEMIC SETTINGS, BUT HE IS SPLITTING HIS SENIOR YEAR WITH AN INTERNSHIP AT NATIONS BANK. NOW FOR THE ENGINEERING STUDENTS AND FOR THE STUDENTS IN BUSINESS, I ENCOURAGE A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR STUDENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE CORPORATE SIDE. I WISH MY SON WERE HERE AND YOU COULD SEE HOW HIS HAIR LOOKS, HIS SHOES AND SHIRT, BECAUSE HE HAS SEEN THE CORPORATE SETTING AND NOW HE IS BACK IN SCHOOL FOR HIS LAST YEAR, SO HE IS SPLITTING HIS LAST YEAR BETWEEN THE CORPORATE AND ACADEMIC SETTING. FOUR YEARS ACADEMICALLY BUT I THINK ENGINEERING, ECONOMICS AND BUSINESS, THE STUDENTS OUGHT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO THE CORPORATE ARENA FOR ONE YEAR TO GET THAT EXPOSURE. HE WILL GRADUATE ONE YEAR LATER AT 23 AS OPPOSED TO 22, BUT HE WILL HAVE THE UPPER HAND OF STUDENTS COMING OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE HAD A YEAR'S EXPERIENCE IN THE CORPORATE WORLD. THIS IS WHAT I RECOMMEND AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET BACK. I WANT TO FOSTER MORE OF A CORPORATE RELATIONSHIP FROM A FUNDING SIDE AS WELL AS A PARTICIPATORY SIDE FOR OUR STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN THE CORPORATE WORLD AND WORK.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MR. COLLINS. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS WARREN A. DARBY OF COLUMBIA.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MR. DARBY, DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY WILL BE THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. DARBY: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. DARBY: I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. DARBY: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTERESTS, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. DARBY: NO, SIR.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE TO THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. DARBY: NO, SIR.
SENATOR GLOVER: YES, MR DARBY, THE SAME QUESTION.
MR. DARBY: ON PRIVATE FUNDING, MY COMPANY, I AM WITH SOUTH CAROLINA ELECTRIC AND GAS COMPANY, SCANA IS A HOLDING COMPANY, WE PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO EVERY STATE SUPPORTED INSTITUTION IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA PLUS MANY SCHOLARSHIPS OUTSIDE THE STATE. IN MY CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IF AM SO ELECTED, I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT PARTICIPATION BY OUR COMPANY AND WOULD WORK WITH OTHER COMPANIES OUTSIDE TO DO LIKEWISE. I THINK WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT THE INSTITUTIONS IN WHICH WE DO BUSINESS, AND I THINK OTHER COMPANIES FEEL THE SAME WAY. ON A MORE PERSONAL NOTE, MY BACKGROUND IS ENGINEERING, AND I FEEL LIKE THE PRODUCT OF A SCHOOL OF HIGHER EDUCATION, THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT WOULD ATTRACT THE APPROPRIATE DOLLARS. ONE THING I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING WOULD BE TO WORK TO STRENGTHEN THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY TO HAVE IT BECOME AN ACCREDITED ENGINEERING SCHOOL THEREBY GRADUATING MORE SKILLED INDIVIDUALS WHICH I THINK IN TURN WOULD ATTRACT THE CORPORATE DOLLARS FOR PRIVATE FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED. SO MY ROLE I SEE IS TO TAKE MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, MY BUSINESS BACKGROUND AND HELP STRENGTHEN THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF THE SCHOOL, AND IN THAT WAY WOULD ATTRACT THE DOLLARS.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SAME QUESTION WITH REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEES' ROLE AS IT RELATES TO STUDENT NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR.
MR. DARBY: YES, SIR, I AGREE WITH MANY OF THE COMMENTS ALREADY MADE, PARTICULARLY THAT A TRUSTEE'S BOARD IS TO DEAL WITH POLICY. I ALSO FEEL THAT A SCHOOL OF HIGHER LEARNING IS NOT A PLACE FOR BABY SITTING, IT'S A PLACE TO LEARN, AND STUDENTS AS WELL AS FACULTY, AS WELL AS BOARD MEMBERS, FOR THAT MATTER, HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND THERE WOULD BE CERTAIN LEVELS OF BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE AND WHEN PEOPLE MAKE A DECISION TO NOT ABIDE BY THE RULES OF THE UNIVERSITY, THEN THEY WOULD BE DEALT WITH. I THINK ANY INSTITUTION OR ANY ORGANIZATION HAS A SET OF VALUES AND THOSE VALUES DRIVE THE DIRECTION OF THE INSTITUTION, AND CERTAINLY BEHAVIOR WOULD BE PART OF THE VALUES ESTABLISHED, AND I WOULD WORK TO ESTABLISH THE VALUES THAT I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE UNIVERSITY AND CERTAINLY EXPECT THE STUDENTS AND OTHERS TO ABIDE BY THAT.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION QUESTION.
MR. DARBY: YES, SIR, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY GOOD COMMENTS MADE ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL, AND MY FEELINGS ARE THAT IT BEGINS PRIOR TO ATTENDING COLLEGE AND BEGINS IN THE FORMATIVE YEARS OF SCHOOL IN SETTING GOALS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS EXPECTED. I THINK ONCE YOU REACH HIGH SCHOOL THAT CERTAINLY MAYBE THERE IS MORE WE CAN DO WITH GUIDANCE COUNSELORS AND MAYBE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. IN EDUCATING STUDENTS GOING TO COLLEGE IT IS A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM IN MOST CASES. I THINK IN ORIENTATION PROGRAMS FOR PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS AND THEIR PARENTS THAT IT BE STRESSED AND ALSO WITH THE STUDENT ADVISORS WHEN THEY BECOME STUDENTS AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY THAT THEY ARE EXPECTED TO GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS. I ALSO SUBSCRIBE TO THE COMMENTS MADE THAT CO-OP PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS OF GIVING STUDENTS A TIME TO SPEND IN THEIR COMMUNITIES IN BUSINESS CERTAINLY IS A VALUE. I THINK THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, THOUGH, WAS WHAT TO DO ABOUT PROFESSIONAL STUDENTS, SO TO SPEAK, THE STUDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE AN END IN SIGHT. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. IT'S NOT THE FACT A STUDENT MAYBE TAKES FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AND SPENT A HALF YEAR WITH A BANK OR WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY OR WITH A POWER COMPANY. I THINK THE IDEA IS TO GET PEOPLE IN AND THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THEY'RE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS AND TURN BACK AND PAY BACK THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MR. DARBY. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS JANNETTE L. HENRY OF WINNSBORO.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MS. HENRY, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. HENRY: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. HENRY: YES, I WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD AFFECT YOUR PARTICIPATION ON THE BOARD?
MS. HENRY: NONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. HENRY: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF? CONSTITUTION?
MS. HENRY: NO.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, MA'AM.
MS. HENRY: AS WE SEE DOLLARS DWINDLE DAILY FOR EDUCATION, I FEEL THAT IT BEHOOVES THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO SEEK OUTSIDE FUNDING. THIS CAN BE DONE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. AND IN ONE WAY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOARD ITSELF, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW IN CORPORATIONS THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW OR SOMEONE ELSE MAY NOT KNOW, BUT I HAVE THOSE CONTACTS WITH THOSE PEOPLE, AND I CAN ALWAYS USE THOSE CONTACTS TO HELP, OR ANY BOARD MEMBER CAN USE THOSE CONTACTS TO HELP THE INSTITUTION RECEIVE FUNDING. ALSO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE INSTITUTION TO HAVE A GRANTS WRITER OR PERHAPS A PERSON WHO DOES THAT AS A PART-TIME JOB OR PART OF A JOB ASSIGNMENT, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALSO HELP YOU TO GET GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PROFESSORS TO SEEK GRANTS FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT. SO I DEFINITELY STRONGLY BELIEVE IN OUTSIDE FUNDING, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IT SEEMS RIGHT NOW WE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OUR STUDENTS A QUALITY EDUCATION.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: SAME QUESTION.
MS. HENRY: THE ROLE OF THE TRUSTEE AS FAR AS STUDENT BEHAVIOR?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: YES.
MS. HENRY: THE ROLE OF A TRUSTEE, AS WE ALL HAVE SAID, IS TO SET POLICY. AND IT IS THE JOB OF THE ADMINISTRATION TO ENFORCE IT. AND AS FAR AS DISCIPLINE AND STUDENT BEHAVIOR IS CONCERNED, I FEEL THAT STUDENTS HAVE TO FOLLOW THE POLICIES THAT ARE SET BY THE INSTITUTION. SOMETIMES YOU WILL FIND THAT POLICIES MAY NOT WORK OR THEY NEED UPDATING OR SO FORTH, AND IT'S UP TO THE TRUSTEES TO UPDATE THOSE POLICIES, BUT IT ALSO BEHOOVES THE STUDENTS TO FOLLOW THOSE POLICIES, AND IF THEY DO NOT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE NECESSARY DISCIPLINARY ACTION. ONE THING YOU MUST REMEMBER, WHEN YOU ARE IN COLLEGE YOU ARE AT A LEARNING STAGE, HOWEVER, YOU ARE LEARNING HOW TO BECOME AN EMPLOYABLE PERSON, AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW DIRECTIONS IN THE WORK PLACE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR JOB OR SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN, AND YOU NEED TO SEE THAT SAME THING IN COLLEGE. IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE DISCIPLINE POLICIES SET BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES YOU HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES, AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR---
MS. HENRY: I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THOSE STUDENTS WHO MAJOR IN THOSE PROGRAMS THAT TAKE FOUR YEARS TO GET OUT IN FOUR YEARS. YOU HAVE SOME PROGRAMS THAT WILL TAKE LONGER, HOWEVER, FOR THOSE WHO PLAN TO MAJOR IN THOSE FOUR-YEAR PROGRAMS, I THINK COUNSELING NEEDS TO BEGIN AS WE HAVE ALL SAID IN THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS. YOU ALSO NEED TO NOT ONLY COUNSEL WITH THE STUDENTS; YOU NEED TO COUNSEL WITH THE PARENTS. THE PARENTS NEED TO BE TOLD, WELL, IF YOUR CHILD MAJORS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IT WILL TAKE FOUR YEARS, HOWEVER, IF THEY MAJOR IN THIS AREA IT MAY TAKE FIVE YEARS. IT'S REALLY ACCORDING TO YOUR MAJOR, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE THOSE FOUR-YEAR PROGRAMS SUCH AS TEACHER EDUCATION TO COME ON OUT IN FOUR YEARS AND GET STARTED.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MA'AM. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS HELEN R. WILSFORD OF ORANGEBURG.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MS. WILSFORD: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MS. WILSFORD: YES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
MS. WILSFORD: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MS. WILSFORD: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MS. WILSFORD: NO.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
MS. WILSFORD: FUNDING IS CERTAINLY A PROBLEM NOW. THE GRANTS WRITING IS, I AM SURE, NOT BEING FULLY EXPLORED RIGHT NOW. I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN GRANTS WRITING, SUCCESSFUL GRANTS WRITING, AND ALSO UNSUCCESSFUL GRANTS WRITING, AND I DO THINK MAYBE A PROFESSIONAL GRANTS WRITER, AT LEAST TO DO A WORKSHOP, TO COME IN AND WORK WITH THE FACULTY WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL, BUT THERE ARE MANY GRANTS AVAILABLE ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT WE PERHAPS JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR DON'T PURSUE. I DO THINK WE NEED TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE CORPORATE STRUCTURE AND THE TRUSTEES' CLUBS AND OTHER BOARDS THEY MIGHT SERVE ON OR COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR CHURCH OR WHEREVER YOU MIGHT COME IN CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY YOU FEEL WOULD BE INFLUENTIAL AND COULD HELP YOU WITH FUNDING, THEN YOU COULD PURSUE THAT. ALSO PROBABLY A SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH CORPORATE GROUPS COULD TAKE SOME TRIPS OUT ACROSS SOUTH CAROLINA, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY POCKETS OF INDUSTRY THAT HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN TAPPED YET BY STATE UNIVERSITY. THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, OR NOT ASSOCIATION, BUT THE ALUMNI FUND RAISING HAS NOT BEEN AS AGGRESSIVE IN MY EXPERIENCE AS THE OTHER SCHOOLS I HAVE ATTENDED. I FINISHED 15 YEARS AGO AT STATE UNIVERSITY, AND I HAVE RECEIVED VIRTUALLY NO MAILINGS, NO PHONE CALLS, AND I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY LEAVING OUT A WHOLE SEGMENT OF OUR ALUMNI IN OUR FUND RAISING, AND WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY COMPANIES THAT HAVE MATCHING FUNDS AVAILABLE, AND SO WE NEED TO TARGET, BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN OUR ALUMNI FUND RAISING, BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE SOMETHING WE SHOULD GIVE BACK BECAUSE WE DID GET SO MUCH FROM STATE UNIVERSITY. YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR, RIGHT? I WORK AT THE VOCATIONAL CENTER, AND I DEAL WITH NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR AND COUNSELING AND THAT ALL THE TIME. I THINK PERHAPS IF INCOMING FRESHMAN COULD BE ASSIGNED IN SMALL GROUPS WITH SOMEBODY THAT WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THEM AT THE VERY FIRST, BECAUSE I BELIEVE MOST OF THE NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR DOES COME FROM THE FRESHMAN CLASS. MUCH OF IT MAY BE DRUG RELATED, AND IF IT IS DRUG RELATED, THE SOONER WE FIND OUT ABOUT THAT AND GET RID OF THOSE DRUG SUPPLIERS, IF WE CAN, THEN THE MORE THAT WILL HELP, BUT IF YOU HAD SMALL GROUPS AND COULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE INDIVIDUAL KIDS AND CALL THEIR PARENTS, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT JUVENILE, BUT IF YOU CALL PARENTS, I FOUND OUT IN MY EXPERIENCE YOU ARE ALMOST 100 PERCENT SUCCESSFUL IN SEEING IMPROVEMENT IMMEDIATELY. YOU MIGHT NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICY. IT MIGHT BE OUTDATED, AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR, AND NOT ONLY IN SCHOOLS BUT ALSO IN OUR WHOLE STATE AND COMMUNITY.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: THE FOUR-YEAR.
MS. WILSFORD: THE FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE, I HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH CO-OP EDUCATION ON THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, AND I HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CO-OP PROGRAM AS IT WORKS AT STATE UNIVERSITY. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL OF MY FORMER STUDENTS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND THEY HAVE ALL -- THEY DIDN'T FINISH IN FOUR YEARS, BUT THEY DID HAVE A JOB. I THINK ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE I HAVE WORKED WITH HAVE GOTTEN A JOB OUT OF THEIR CO-OP EXPERIENCE AND THEY DID FINISH IN FIVE YEARS. SO I DO THINK WE CAN COOPERATE MORE FULLY WITH TECH COLLEGES ACROSS THE STATE, AND THIS MIGHT MEAN SOME VISITS FROM THE TRUSTEES, TO ACCEPT STUDENTS FROM TECH COLLEGES WHO MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM WAS WHAT THEY WANTED BUT IN REALITY THEY NEED TO GO ON AND FINISH A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM, AND I THINK WE WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAT WAY. ALSO IF WE WOULD WORK WITH THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THERE IS WHOLE MOVEMENT CALLED TECH PREP THAT MY SCHOOL IS INVOLVED IN. THERE ARE TWO TRACKS, TECH PREP AND COLLEGE PREP, AND THEY CAN GO BACK AND FORTH, SO IF THEY'RE IN TECH PREP THEY CAN STILL GO TO COLLEGE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE AND MAKE STUDENTS AWARE OF WHAT THEY CAN DO TO FINISH UP IN FOUR YEARS ONCE THEY GET THERE. ONE MORE THING I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL WE ARE ENCOURAGING STUDENTS WHEN THEY LEAVE EIGHTH GRADE BEFORE THEY GET TO HIGH SCHOOL TO HAVE A FOUR-YEAR PLAN OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE DO A LOT OF CAREER COUNSELING AND WORK WITH THE PARENTS AND THEY SET UP A FOUR-YEAR PLAN FOR HIGH SCHOOL. A FOUR-YEAR PLAN FOR COLLEGE WOULD NOT BE OUT OF LINE FOR THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BEFORE THEY GRADUATED IF YOU COULD GET TO THE SENIORS, AND THEY COULD SET UP A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM, THEN THEY COULD SEE PROGRESS TOWARD THE END, AND I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, MA'AM. OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS DR. THOMAS J. WILSON OF TIMMONSVILLE.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DR. WILSON, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
DR. WILSON: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
DR. WILSON: I WILL.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THE SCREENING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN A FULL CAPACITY?
DR. WILSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
DR. WILSON: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION?
DR. WILSON: I SERVE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT WOULD RELINQUISH THAT IN THE EVENT I AM APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION.
DR. WILSON: THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. AS FAR AS THE BOARD'S POINT OF VIEW, AND I AM GIVING MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT A BOARD SHOULD BE LIKE IN FUND RAISING. IF I AM ASKED TO COME TO THE DINNER TABLE I AM GOING TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE DINNER TABLE. THE BOARD TO GO OUT FUND RAISING MAY NOT BE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BOARD PER SE. IF I AM ON THE BOARD, I AM GOING TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE, AND I AM GOING TO GET ALL MY FRIENDS TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. THIS IS BOARD FUND RAISING, NOT WRITING LETTERS, SOLICITING, WRITING PROPOSALS. IF I AM GOING TO SERVE ON THE BOARD, I AM AT THE TOP. IF I AM AT THE TOP, I SHOULD BE THE LEADER. AND I AM GOING TO LEAD OFF GIVING SOMETHING TO THE COLLEGE. I SEE NO REASON WHY THIS DISTINGUISHED BOARD COULDN'T RAISE $100,000 PER YEAR WITH THE BOARD GIVING AND OF THE BOARD PROGRAMS. SO FUND RAISING IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH THE CUTBACK IN CORPORATE GIVING AND WITH THE CUTBACK FROM THE STATE BUDGETING, SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME EXTRA MONIES, AND I THINK IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE RULES AND POLICIES, THEN I AM GOING TO ALSO GIVE SOME MONEY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. SO I SAY THE BOARD GIVING SHOULD HELP SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, SIR.
DR. WILSON: AS FAR AS THE -- I KIND OF LOSE TRACK -- THE DISCIPLINE PROBLEMS. FIRST, IF I WAS ON THE BOARD I WOULD FIND OUT THE SOURCE OF THESE PROBLEMS. NOW FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE, AND I HAVE WORKED ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS ABOUT 18 YEARS. I FOUND THAT STUDENTS FROM CERTAIN AREAS AND BACKGROUNDS CONTRIBUTE TO THESE PROBLEMS. FIRST, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SCREEN ITS APPLICANTS. NOW YOU SAY, WELL, WE NEED THREE THOUSAND STUDENTS AND WE HAVE THREE THOUSAND APPLICATIONS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SCREEN THEM. LET ME GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I WAS INVITED TO HAMPTON UNIVERSITY THREE WEEKS AGO TO WORK WITH RECRUITMENT SECTION. HERE WE HAVE A SLOT FOR THREE THOUSAND FRESHMEN, BUT WE ARE GOING TO RECRUIT AND GET SIX THOUSAND. BY DOING THIS WE GET THE CREAM OF THE CROP. WE GET SOME OF THE BEST STUDENTS IN THE NATION, AND THIS HELPS SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOP STUDENTS. WE REALIZE THE FACT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME STUDENTS GOING TO BE CONTRARY, BUT HERE AGAIN THE BOARD SHOULD RE-ADVISE THIS DISCIPLINE PROBLEM, MAKE CERTAIN THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE CARRIED OUT BY THE ADMINISTRATION, NOT THE BOARD BABYSITTING TO SEE THAT THEY'RE CARRIED OUT. THE BOARD SHOULD IMPLEMENT THESE POLICIES THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION, MAKE SURE CERTAIN THAT THE DEAN OF STUDENTS, AND MAKE SURE THESE POLICIES ARE CARRIED OUT. WITH THESE TOP STUDENTS THE DISCIPLINE PROBLEMS WILL FINALLY FADE AWAY.
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: SAME QUESTION, FOUR-YEAR GRADUATION.
DR. WILSON: THERE ARE SEVERAL PROGRAMS AT COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES THAT IS GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS. AND IF A PROGRAM IS GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS WE SHOULD GEAR OUR PROGRAM INTO THAT DIRECTION. NOW I KNOW ENGINEERING, BUSINESS, AND MARKETING AND MANAGEMENT, AGRI BUSINESS, YOU JUST CAN'T FINISH IN FOUR YEARS. I HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT. YET WHEN I BECOME A FRESHMAN I AM GOING TO DESIGN MY PROGRAM IN A WAY THAT I CAN GET OUT AS EARLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN. FOUR YEARS SHOULD BE THE MAXIMUM. IF I CAN FINISH THIS PROGRAM IN FOUR YEARS, I SHOULD HAVE MY PROGRAM DEVELOPED AND CUT OUT BY MY DEAN OR BY THE DEPARTMENT HEAD BECAUSE AFTER FOUR YEARS SOME LADY SAID THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO RUN OUT. SO WHERE DO I GO? SO, THEREFORE, I AM GOING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE STUDENTS CARRY A HEAVY LOAD, AND WE REALIZE WE HAVE TO FACE REALITY. ALL STUDENTS CAN'T CARRY 18 OR 20 HOURS PER SEMESTER; SO, THEREFORE, WE HAVE TO DESIGN A PROGRAM TO GET OUT AS EARLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AND ONCE WE FOLLOW THIS SCHEDULE, ONCE WE FOLLOW THESE ACTIVITIES WITH THESE FOUR YEARS OR FOUR YEARS OR MAYBE TWO SUMMERS AND ONE SEMESTER, WE WILL BE OUT, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM IF YOU FOLLOW THROUGH AND DEVELOP AND WORK WITH THAT POINT OF VIEW.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: THANK YOU, DOCTOR. OUR FINAL CANDIDATE IS GILBERT ZIMMERMAN OF BEAUFORT.

CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU SWEAR THE FOREGOING TESTIMONY IS THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: I DO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: CONSIDERING YOUR PRESENT OCCUPATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: I MOST CERTAINLY WOULD.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE HEALTH RELATED PROBLEMS THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD IN FULL CAPACITY?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: NO.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST, PROFESSIONALLY OR PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: I DO NOT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: DO YOU NOW HOLD ANY PUBLIC POSITION OF HONOR OR TRUST THAT IF ELECTED TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICEHOLDING CLAUSES OF THE CONSTITUTION?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: NO.
SENATOR GLOVER: SAME QUESTION, PLEASE.
MR. ZIMMERMAN: YES, SENATOR. AS FAR AS THE BOARD'S ROLE WITH FUNDING, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT VERY CLOSELY. I AM AN ADJUNCT FACULTY MEMBER AT ONE OF THE COLLEGES AT THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, AND I TEACH A COURSE OF BUSINESS AND SOCIETY, AND MOST CERTAINLY IN THE CORPORATE WORLD OR THE BUSINESS WORLD OR PRIVATE SECTOR, THEY ARE LOOKED AT AS STAKEHOLDERS, AND CERTAINLY THEY HAVE A STAKE IN THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT OUR CITIZENS RECEIVE IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. SO, QUITE NATURALLY, THEY MUST MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN THAT EDUCATION. AS A BOARD MEMBER, I WOULD NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVE MYSELF WITH FUND RAISING UNLESS IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNIVERSITY AND WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, ETHICAL AND REGULATORY GUIDELINES, TO DO SO; AND, IF SO, I WOULD UTILIZE MY ABILITY TO RELATE TO PEOPLE WITH THE CORPORATE WORLD VERY EFFECTIVELY AND SUCCESSFULLY, AND MY NAME RECOGNITION IN TERMS OF BEING FRIENDS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BOTH ATHLETES AND ENTERTAINERS, AND CERTAINLY KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY AND WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION OR AN INVESTMENT IN THAT FINE INSTITUTION IF REQUESTED BY ME. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE WOULD KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS THE BOARD'S ROLE IN FUND RAISING, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO, CERTAINLY AS FAR AS PUBLIC RELATIONS IS CONCERNED. THANK YOU.
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: DR. ZIMMERMAN, MY QUESTION IS THE SAME WITH REFERENCE TO THE TRUSTEES' RESPONSIBILITIES AS IT RELATES TO STUDENTS' NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR?
MR. ZIMMERMAN: WELL, I WOULD BE, OR I SHOULD SAY MY CONCERNS WOULD BE MULTI-FACETED. BECAUSE CERTAINLY I AM FIRST A PARENT. AND I HAD A DAUGHTER WHO ATTENDED SOUTH CAROLINA STATE. I HAVE A SON IN COLLEGE IN CHARLESTON NOW, AND I HAVE A FOUR AND A HALF YEAR OLD. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT STUDENT BEHAVIOR AND STUDENT DISCIPLINE IN ANY OF OUR PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, AND MOST CERTAINLY SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY. SO AS A BOARD MEMBER, IF I AM SUCCESSFUL, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED. THE STUDENTS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INSTITUTION. THEIR BEHAVIOR, OR WHATEVER, IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT INSTITUTION. SO I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK THAT BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE A VERY, VERY TREMENDOUS CONCERN ABOUT THAT. HOWEVER, WE SHOULD HELP SET THE POLICY OR ESTABLISH THE POLICY THAT WILL MAKE THAT ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THESE STUDENTS ARE SENT TO LEARN, CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING, AND HAVE THAT ENVIRONMENT ESTABLISHED SO THEY WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN VERY POSITIVE MANNER RATHER THAN A NEGATIVE. WE MUST NOT TOLERATE CERTAIN THINGS, AND WE MUST LET OUR STUDENTS KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE FINE TRADITION OF SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY TO CARRY YOURSELF IN A CERTAIN WAY. YOUR FIRST PRIORITY IS TO GET AN EDUCATION AND MAKE THAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE A VERY ENJOYABLE ONE BUT STAYING WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF GOOD BEHAVIOR. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE THAT I WAS LAST BUT I AM CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DIDN'T COME HERE WITH A PREPARED AGENDA FOR SOLVING THE MANY PROBLEMS AT SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY, BUT I DO KNOW IF I AM ELECTED IF I AM SUCCESSFUL I WILL CERTAINLY BE COMING WITH A PREPARED HEART AND PREPARED MIND TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO HELP SOUTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY TO MOVE INTO THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU SHOWING SUCH INTEREST IN WANTING TO SERVE THIS INSTITUTION. WE ARE FULLY AWARE THAT YOUR SERVICES GO UNRECOGNIZED MANY TIMES AND RATHER THAN MONETARY COMPENSATION YOU REAP A LOT OF RIDICULE AT TIMES AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING TO SERVE. DOES ANY MEMBER HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I MIGHT SAY THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED. THE RESULTS ARE NOT ENTIRELY IN, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE WOULD APPROVE OF EVERYONE ON THE LIST SUBJECT TO CERTAIN -- MR. CLYBORNE, DO YOU HAVE SUCH A MOTION?
REPRESENTATIVE CLYBORNE: YES, I DO, AND I WOULD SAY IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF SERIOUS PROBLEMS THAT WAS FOUND AS A RESULT OF THE SLED INVESTIGATION, THAT THAT INFORMATION BE MADE PUBLIC BOTH TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND TO THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: WITH THAT MOTION IN MIND, DO I HAVE SECOND?
REPRESENTATIVE INABINETT: I SECOND IT.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: MOTION MADE AND SECONDED THAT WE FIND ALL THE CANDIDATES ON THE LIST QUALIFIED FOR---
SENATOR MACAULAY: EXCLUDING AT-LARGE FOURTH SEAT 11.
CHAIRMAN STODDARD: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE AYES HAVE IT. SENATOR MACAULAY WOULD LIKE FOR THE RECORD TO SHOW HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE AT-LARGE SEAT 11 INQUIRY AND ABSTAINED FROM VOTING. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ONE OF THE CANDIDATES; IT WASN'T THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE ALL OF THEM.
(AT 12:25 P.M., THE PROCEEDING WAS ADJOURNED.)

The Committee to Investigate Candidates for Trustees for Universities and Colleges finds the following candidates for board of trustees qualified. Background reports from the State Law Enforcement Division show no felony charges against any of the candidates.

Fifteen Members Elected by the General Assembly

FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 1 (Two Year Term)

James E. Dunn, Ed.D. (Garden City)

Elnora Sue Metzger, Ed.D. (Charleston)

Clark Parker (Myrtle Beach)

Seat 2 (Four Year Term)

James J. Johnson (Conway)

Robert D. Wilson (Georgetown)

SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 3 (Two Year Term)

M. Craig Garner, Jr. (Columbia)

Oran P. Smith (Columbia)

Seat 4 (Four Year Term)

Lynn Adams Grieb (Gilbert)

James F. Kane (Columbia)

Walter P. Witherspoon, Jr., D.D.S. (West Columbia)

THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 5 (Two Year Term)

Payne Henderson (Hank) Barnette, Jr. (Greenwood)

Bradley L. Jordan (Anderson)

Seat 6 (Four Year Term)

Suzanne E. Earle (Walhalla)

William L. Lyles, Jr. (Anderson)

Larry A. Jackson (Greenwood)

FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 7 (Two Year Term)

James S. Barrett (Spartanburg)

James D. Martin, Jr., Ph.D. (Greenville)

Elaine W. Marks (Spartanburg)

Seat 8 (Four Year Term)

Alex Kiriakides, III (Greenville)

Keith Smith (Greer)

FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 9 (Two Year Term)

Evelyn F. Howe (Gaffney)

Genova McFadden (Hartsville)

Juli S. Powers (Clio)

Seat 10 (Four Year Term)

Robert D. Brown (Camden)

SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 11 (Two Year Term)

William H. Chandler (Hemingway)

Fred F. DuBard, Jr. (Florence)

Seat 12 (Four Year Term)

Cathy B. Harvin (Summerton)

AT-LARGE

Seat 13 (Two Year Term)

H. Franklin Burroughs (Conway)

AT-LARGE

Seat 14 (Four Year Term)

J. Egerton Burroughs (Conway)

Fred C. Fore (Murrells Inlet)

Dean P. Hudson (Conway)

David Bomar Smith (Conway)

Robert Lee Rabon (Conway)

AT-LARGE

Seat 15 (Two Year Term)

Edwin Craig Wall, Jr. (Conway)

One each from Congressional Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and one at-large.

FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 1

Gedney M. Howe, III (Charleston)

SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 2

Bernice S. Gill (Allendale)

Sam Glover (Columbia)

Tony Grant (Columbia)

Carolyn McIver Smith, Ph.D. (Columbia)

THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 3

Charles Lewis (Anderson)

FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 4

Kathy Edwards Bell (Spartanburg)

James Luther Bullard, Ph.D. (Taylors)

Vanessa Stuckey (Greenville)

FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT

Seat 5

Doris Gathings Johnson (Rock Hill)

Patricia M. Henegan (Bennettsville)

Dorothy Jean Killian (Rock Hill)

Cheryl S. McFadden (Rock Hill)

J.E. Pendergrass (Rock Hill)

Dr. J. W. Sanders (Gaffney)

Gloria Scott (Newberry)

AT-LARGE

Seat 11

Arnold Collins (Charleston)

Warren A. Darby (Columbia)

Jannette L. Henry (Winnsboro)

Helen R. Wilsford (Orangeburg)

Dr. Thomas J. Wilson (Timmonsville)

Gilbert "GiGi" Zimmerman (Beaufort)

One seat at-large.

John A. McAllister, Jr.

Three seats at-large.

Clotilda D. Diggs (Florence)

Frank Hart (Marion)

Elizabeth Thrailkill (Fort Lawn)

/s/Senator Warren Giese /s/Rep. Curtis B. Inabinett
/s/Senator Maggie Wallace Glover /s/Rep. Jennings G. Mcabee
/s/Senator Alexander S. Macaulay /s/Rep. Eugene C. Stoddard
/s/Senator Joe Wilson /s/Rep. H. Howell Clyborne, Jr.

May 26, 1993

(On motion on Senator MACAULAY, ordered printed in the Journal of Friday, May 28, 1993)

The following Bills were read the third time and having received three readings in both Houses, it was ordered that the titles be changed to that of Acts and enrolled for Ratification:

H. 4008 -- Reps. McLeod, G. Brown, Canty, McElveen and Neal: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 7-7-501, AS AMENDED, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO THE DESIGNATION OF PRECINCTS IN SUMTER COUNTY, SO AS TO REDESIGNATE THE PRECINCTS, and PROVIDE THAT THE PRECINCT LINES DEFINING THE PRECINCTS ARE AS SHOWN ON OFFICIAL MAPS ON FILE WITH THE DIVISION OF RESEARCH and STATISTICAL SERVICES OF THE BUDGET and CONTROL BOARD DESIGNATED AS DOCUMENT P-85-93, PROVIDE THAT THE POLLING PLACES FOR THE PRECINCTS MUST BE ESTABLISHED BY THE SUMTER COUNTY REGISTRATION and ELECTIONS COMMISSION SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A MAJORITY OF THE SUMTER COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION; TO REPEAL SECTION 7-7-502 RELATING TO THE DESIGNATION OF POLLING PLACES IN SUMTER COUNTY.

(By prior motion of Senator LEVENTIS, with unanimous consent)

H. 4219 -- Rep. Farr: A BILL TO DECREASE THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE UNION COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD FROM NINE TO THREE MEMBERS.

(By prior motion of Senator LANDER, with unanimous consent)

H. 3955 -- Rep. D. Smith: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 8-21-310, AS AMENDED, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO FEES AND COSTS COLLECTED IN EACH COUNTY, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT THE FEE FOR EXPUNGING CRIMINAL RECORDS DOES NOT APPLY TO DEFENDANTS WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A PRETRIAL INTERVENTION PROGRAM OR IN CASES WHERE THE UNDERLYING CHARGE IS DISMISSED, NOL PROSSED, OR WHERE THE DEFENDANT IS FOUND NOT GUILTY.

(By prior motion of Senator HOLLAND, with unanimous consent)

H. 4178 -- Reps. Askins, Cobb-Hunter, Hines, Rhoad, Harrelson, Stuart, Spearman, Witherspoon, Govan, Shissias, Wright, Gamble, Riser, Wells, Waites and Law: A BILL TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING SECTION 4-19-15 SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT IN THOSE AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE FIRE PROTECTION SERVICE IS OFFERED ON AN INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTUAL BASIS, THE COUNTY GOVERNING BODY MAY EXTEND FIRE PROTECTION TO THOSE LANDOWNERS WITHIN THE SERVICE AREA WHO ARE NOT SERVED BY A CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION.

(By prior motion of Senator LEATHERMAN, with unanimous consent)

H. 3428 -- Rep. Snow: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 50-17-510, AS AMENDED, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, RELATING TO RESTRICTIONS ON THE TAKING OF CERTAIN FISH AND CRUSTACEANS, SO AS TO REVISE THE RESTRICTIONS PERTAINING TO RED DRUM.

(By prior motion of Senator HOLLAND, with unanimous consent)

The following House Bill was read the third time and ordered returned to the House with amendments:

H. 3372 -- Reps. J. Bailey, Gonzales, Fulmer, Quinn, Hallman, Huff, Harrell, Holt, R. Young, Harrison, Scott, Hodges, Wilkins, Jennings, Tucker and H. Brown: A BILL TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING CHAPTER 31 TO TITLE 6 SO AS TO ENACT THE "SOUTH CAROLINA LOCAL GOVERNMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACT".

(By prior motion of Senator PASSAILAIGUE, with unanimous consent)

The following Bill and Joint Resolution were read the third time and ordered sent to the House of Representatives:

S. 794 -- Senators Moore, Ryberg and Setzler: A BILL TO AMEND ACT 268 OF 1989, RELATING TO THE TAX MILLAGE AUTHORIZED TO BE LEVIED FOR THE OPERATION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF AIKEN COUNTY, SO AS TO INCREASE THE AUTHORIZED MILLAGE.

(By prior motion of Senator MOORE, with unanimous consent)

S. 801 -- Senators Wilson, Setzler, Ryberg and Lander: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 7-7-380, AS AMENDED, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO THE DESIGNATION OF VOTING PRECINCTS IN LEXINGTON COUNTY, SO AS TO REDESIGNATE THE PRECINCTS.

(By prior motion of Senator WILSON)

S. 802 -- Banking and Insurance Committee: A JOINT RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE FOR AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF EACH MEMBER INSURER OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA REINSURANCE FACILITY; TO PROVIDE THAT A REPORT OF FINDINGS BE PERFORMED JOINTLY BY THE CHIEF INSURANCE COMMISSIONER, THE HOUSE LABOR, COMMERCE, AND INDUSTRY COMMITTEE, AND THE SENATE BANKING AND INSURANCE COMMITTEE; TO PROVIDE FOR THE DISSEMINATION OF THIS INDEPENDENT AUDIT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY; AND TO PROVIDE THAT THE PROVISIONS OF R. 136 OF 1993, RELATING TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS, SOLICITING AN INVITATION FOR BIDS FOR THE SERVICES USED OR PAID FOR BY THE REINSURANCE FACILITY, TERMINATION OF CERTAIN CONTRACTS, AND CONDUCTING CERTAIN AUDITS, SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE CHIEF INSURANCE COMMISSIONER IN A TIMELY MANNER SO AS TO ENSURE THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF THE REINSURANCE FACILITY.

(By prior motion of Senator SALEEBY, with unanimous consent)

The following Bills having been read the second time were ordered placed on the third reading Calendar:

S. 805 -- Senators Matthews and Williams: A BILL TO AMEND ACT 201 OF 1991, RELATING TO THE ELECTION OF ORANGEBURG COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT TRUSTEES, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT THE ORANGEBURG COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION SHALL APPOINT A TRUSTEE TO FILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM WHEN A VACANCY OCCURS.

(By prior motion of Senator MATTHEWS, with unanimous consent)

H. 4231 -- Rep. Elliott: A BILL TO AUTHORIZE THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF SCHOOL DISTRICT 3 IN MARION COUNTY TO BORROW NOT EXCEEDING THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING, IMPROVING, AND REPAIRING SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT; TO PROVIDE FOR THE METHOD OF PAYMENT OF THE LOAN AND INTEREST BY THE BOARD; AND TO PROVIDE THAT THE INTEREST EARNED IS NOT TAXABLE INCOME OR SUBJECT TO INSURANCE PREMIUM TAXES.

(By prior motion of Senator McGILL, with unanimous consent)

MOTION ADOPTED
On motion of Senator MARTIN, with unanimous consent, the Senate stood adjourned out of respect to the memory of Mrs. Mary Lee H. Raines of Pickens County, South Carolina, who passed away on May 26, 1993.

At 11:34 A.M., by prior motion of Senator WILLIAMS, the Senate agreed that the Senate stand adjourned to meet at 12:00 Noon, on Tuesday, June 1, 1993, provided that the PRESIDENT Pro Tempore is authorized to call the Senate into statewide session on Monday, May 31, 1993, if he determines that a statewide session is necessary.

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