Journal of the House of Representatives
of the First Session of the 111th General Assembly
of the State of South Carolina
being the Regular Session Beginning Tuesday, January 10, 1995

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SECTION 47--AMENDED AND TABLED

Reps. KIRSH and HUFF proposed the following Amendment No. 15 (Doc Name L:\council\legis\amend\DKA\3771CM.95), which was tabled.
Amend the bill, as and if amended, Part II, by striking SECTION 47 in its entirety.

Renumber sections & amend totals/title to conform.

Rep. KIRSH explained the amendment.

Rep. KIRSH spoke in favor of the amendment.

Reps. HALLMAN and BAILEY spoke against the amendment.

Rep. HUFF spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. FELDER spoke against the amendment.

Rep. KOON moved to table the amendment.

Rep. KIRSH demanded the yeas and nays, which were taken resulting as follows:

Yeas 68; Nays 40

Those who voted in the affirmative are:

Allison          Askins           Bailey
Baxley           Breeland         Brown, G.
Brown, H.        Brown, J.        Brown, T.
Carnell          Cave             Clyburn
Cotty            Cromer           Dantzler
Felder           Fulmer           Gamble
Hallman          Harrell          Harris, P.
Harrison         Harwell          Hines
Howard           Inabinett        Jennings
Keegan           Kelley           Kennedy
Keyserling       Kinon            Klauber
Knotts           Koon             Law
Limbaugh         Limehouse        Littlejohn
Lloyd            Martin           McAbee
Quinn            Rhoad            Riser
Scott            Seithel          Sharpe
Shissias         Smith, D.        Spearman
Stille           Stoddard         Stuart
Townsend         Tucker           Wells
Whatley          Whipper, S.      White
Wilder           Wilkes           Witherspoon


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Wofford          Worley           Wright
Young, A.        Young, J.

Total--68

Those who voted in the negative are:

Anderson         Boan             Cain
Cato             Chamblee         Cooper
Davenport        Delleney         Easterday
Fair             Fleming          Harris, J.
Haskins          Herdklotz        Huff
Jaskwhich        Kirsh            Marchbanks
Mason            McCraw           McTeer
Meacham          Moody-Lawrence   Neal
Neilson          Phillips         Rice
Richardson       Robinson         Rogers
Sandifer         Sheheen          Simrill
Smith, R.        Tripp            Trotter
Vaughn           Waldrop          Walker
Wilkins

Total--40

So, the amendment was tabled.

LEAVE OF ABSENCE

The SPEAKER granted Rep. INABINETT a leave of absence for the remainder of the day.

Reps. ROBINSON and HUFF proposed the following Amendment No. 19 (Doc Name L:\council\legis\amend\JIC\5525HTC.95), which was tabled.
Amend the bill, as and if amended, Part II, Permanent Provisions, SECTION 47, beginning on page 513, by striking subsections A, C, D, E, and F.

Renumber sections & amend totals/title to conform.

Rep. ROBINSON explained the amendment.

Reps. WILKES and McELVEEN spoke against the amendment.

SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE IN CHAIR


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Rep. McELVEEN continued speaking.

Rep. HALLMAN spoke against the amendment and moved to table the amendment.

SPEAKER IN CHAIR

Rep. RICHARDSON demanded the yeas and nays, which were taken resulting as follows:

Yeas 65; Nays 46

Those who voted in the affirmative are:

Allison          Askins           Bailey
Baxley           Breeland         Brown, G.
Brown, H.        Brown, J.        Cain
Carnell          Clyburn          Cobb-Hunter
Cotty            Cromer           Dantzler
Davenport        Felder           Fulmer
Gamble           Hallman          Harrell
Harris, P.       Harrison         Harwell
Hines            Jennings         Keegan
Kelley           Keyserling       Kinon
Klauber          Knotts           Koon
Lanford          Law              Limbaugh
Limehouse        Lloyd            Marchbanks
Martin           McAbee           Quinn
Riser            Rogers           Sandifer
Scott            Seithel          Shissias
Smith, D.        Spearman         Stille
Stoddard         Stuart           Tucker
Wells            Whatley          Whipper, S.
White            Wilder           Wilkes
Witherspoon      Wofford          Worley
Wright           Young, A.

Total--65

Those who voted in the negative are:

Anderson         Beatty           Boan
Brown, T.        Canty            Cato
Cave             Chamblee         Cooper
Delleney         Easterday        Fair


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Fleming          Govan            Harris, J.
Haskins          Herdklotz        Hodges
Huff             Jaskwhich        Kennedy
Kirsh            Littlejohn       Mason
McCraw           McElveen         McTeer
Meacham          Moody-Lawrence   Neal
Neilson          Rhoad            Rice
Richardson       Robinson         Sheheen
Simrill          Smith, R.        Thomas
Tripp            Trotter          Vaughn
Waldrop          Walker           Wilkins
Young, J.

Total--46

So, the amendment was tabled.

Rep. HUFF proposed the following Amendment No. 274 (Doc Name L:\council\legis\amend\PT\1802AC.95), which was tabled.
Amend the bill, as and if amended, Part II, Permanent Provisions, SECTION 47, by deleting subsections A., C., E., and F.

Reletter subsections & amend totals/title to conform.

Rep. HUFF explained the amendment.

SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE IN CHAIR

Reps. WILKES and HALLMAN spoke against the amendment.

Rep. HALLMAN moved to table the amendment.

Rep. KIRSH demanded the yeas and nays, which were taken resulting as follows:

Yeas 62; Nays 43

Those who voted in the affirmative are:

Allison          Askins           Bailey
Baxley           Breeland         Brown, G.
Brown, H.        Brown, J.        Brown, T.
Byrd             Clyburn          Cobb-Hunter
Cotty            Cromer           Dantzler
Davenport        Fulmer           Gamble


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Govan            Hallman          Harrell
Harrison         Harwell          Hines
Howard           Keegan           Kelley
Kennedy          Keyserling       Kinon
Klauber          Knotts           Koon
Lanford          Law              Limbaugh
Limehouse        Lloyd            Marchbanks
Martin           Quinn            Rhoad
Riser            Rogers           Scott
Seithel          Shissias         Smith, D.
Spearman         Stille           Stuart
Tucker           Wells            Whatley
White            Wilder           Wilkes
Witherspoon      Wofford          Worley
Wright           Young, A.

Total--62

Those who voted in the negative are:

Anderson         Boan             Cain
Canty            Cato             Chamblee
Cooper           Delleney         Easterday
Fair             Fleming          Harris, J.
Haskins          Herdklotz        Hodges
Huff             Jaskwhich        Kirsh
Littlejohn       Mason            McCraw
McElveen         McTeer           Meacham
Moody-Lawrence   Neal             Neilson
Phillips         Rice             Richardson
Robinson         Sandifer         Sheheen
Simrill          Smith, R.        Townsend
Tripp            Trotter          Vaughn
Waldrop          Walker           Wilkins
Young, J.

Total--43

So, the amendment was tabled.

SPEAKER IN CHAIR



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POINT OF ORDER

Rep. HUFF raised the Point of Order that Section A of Section 47 was out of order as it was not germane as the substantial effect of it was to define types of video poker machines and it did not directly relate to an appropriation in Part I of the Bill.

Rep. HARRISON stated that if the machines were not made legal under the proviso, then it clearly would affect the amount of revenue the State received and would be germane.

Rep. JENNINGS stated that Section A simply changed the definition of the machines to take care of the Supreme Court decision and it had a direct impact on revenues. He further stated that if the change was not adopted, then the revenues would not and could not be derived and therefore, it had a direct impact.

Rep. HUFF stated that the primary purpose was to define the type of machine and its substantial effect was not to appropriate money in Part I.

The SPEAKER stated that the second sentence of Rule 5.3 stated that no provision shall be put in the permanent part of any such bill unless it relates directly to an appropriation being made or revenue provided therein for the fiscal year referred to in the Bill. He questioned how Section A of Section 47 complied with that sentence of Rule 5.3.

Rep. HARRISON stated that Section 12-21-2710 stated that it was unlawful to keep certain machines on the premises and this said that these types of machines are legal and can be licensed and that this would directly affect the licensing revenue that come from the machines and therefore, would relate to Part I.

The SPEAKER stated that it did not deal with license fees, it just allowed certain machines.

Rep. HARRISON stated that if the machines were unlawful, then they could not be kept on the premises and, therefore, license fees would not be paid.

Rep. HUFF stated that the substantial effect was to define the machines authorized and where they can be located.

Rep. JENNINGS stated, citing Rule 5.3, that the revenue provided therein was the fees from the machines and that this part simply changed the definition of the machines and by doing that it had a direct impact. He further stated that if it were not adopted, then the revenue would not flow from the fee of that type of machine.

The SPEAKER stated that the whole purpose of Rule 5.3 was to prevent state law from being amended in the Appropriations Bill unless it directly related to an expenditure of funds in Part I.


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Rep. JENNINGS stated that there was precedence from March 12, 1992, when a Point of Order was raised by Rep. McAbee and Rep. Haskins cited Rule 5.3 and argued the requirement that it affect revenue directly and that it was a directive and a procedure relative to the funds that were taken in that instance from the S.H.I.M.S. account and put into that year's budget.

Rep. FELDER stated that it was germane because if Section A was taken out, then there would be revenue lost which affected the money in Part I.

Rep. HUFF stated that if Section A was taken out, then the definition as found to be the law by the Supreme Court stood.

The SPEAKER stated that he understood that the estimate of money generated from expanding the definition had already been spent in Part I.

Rep. HUFF questioned where in Part I was a specific Line item appropriated and the amount of dollars appropriated.

The SPEAKER stated that the money did have to be spent in Part I.

Rep. CROMER stated there was a line item on Page 374A, coin operated device taxes.

Rep. HUFF stated that the line item related to the increase in the fee.

The SPEAKER stated that the House would consider the next two amendments and then he would rule on the Point of Order.

Reps. ROBINSON and HUFF proposed the following Amendment No. 279, which was tabled.

Amend the bill, as and if amended, Part II, Permanent Provisions, Section 47, beginning on Page 514, by striking "six" and inserting "nine" on Line 12.

Rep. ROBINSON explained the amendment.

Rep. FAIR spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. FELDER spoke against the amendment.

Rep. A. YOUNG moved to table the amendment, which was agreed to.

Reps. ANDERSON and FAIR proposed the following Amendment No. 80 (Doc Name L:\council\legis\amend\BBM\9965JM.95), which was adopted.
Amend the bill, as and if amended, Part II, Permanent Provisions, SECTION 47, page 515, by striking line 19.

Amend further, Part II, Permanent Provisions, SECTION 47, page 515, by striking /G./ on line 21 and inserting /F./.

Amend totals/title to conform.


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Rep. ANDERSON explained the amendment.

Rep. HASKINS spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. WILKES spoke against the amendment.

Rep. HODGES spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. MEACHAM spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. JENNINGS spoke against the amendment.

Rep. R. SMITH spoke in favor of the amendment.

Rep. HALLMAN spoke against the amendment and moved to table the amendment.

Rep. HUFF demanded the yeas and nays, which were taken resulting as follows:

Yeas 55; Nays 56

Those who voted in the affirmative are:

Askins           Bailey           Baxley
Breeland         Brown, G.        Brown, H.
Byrd             Carnell          Cave
Clyburn          Cobb-Hunter      Cotty
Cromer           Dantzler         Felder
Fulmer           Gamble           Hallman
Harrison         Harwell          Jennings
Keegan           Kelley           Keyserling
Kinon            Klauber          Knotts
Koon             Law              Limbaugh
Limehouse        Lloyd            Martin
McAbee           McTeer           Quinn
Rhoad            Riser            Rogers
Scott            Seithel          Shissias
Smith, D.        Spearman         Stille
Stuart           Tucker           Whatley
White            Wilkes           Witherspoon
Wofford          Worley           Wright
Young, A.

Total--55

Those who voted in the negative are:

Anderson         Beatty           Boan
Brown, T.        Cain             Canty
Cato             Chamblee         Cooper


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Davenport        Delleney         Easterday
Elliott          Fair             Fleming
Govan            Harris, J.       Haskins
Herdklotz        Hodges           Huff
Hutson           Jaskwhich        Kirsh
Lanford          Littlejohn       Marchbanks
Mason            McCraw           McElveen
McMahand         Meacham          Moody-Lawrence
Neal             Neilson          Phillips
Rice             Richardson       Robinson
Sandifer         Sharpe           Sheheen
Simrill          Smith, R.        Stoddard
Thomas           Tripp            Trotter
Vaughn           Waldrop          Walker
Wells            Whipper, S.      Wilder
Wilkins          Young, J.

Total--56

So, the House refused to table the amendment.

The question then recurred to the adoption of the amendment.

Rep. WHITE demanded the yeas and nays, which were taken resulting as follows:

Yeas 61; Nays 52

Those who voted in the affirmative are:

Allison          Anderson         Beatty
Boan             Brown, T.        Cain
Canty            Cato             Chamblee
Cooper           Davenport        Delleney
Easterday        Elliott          Fair
Fleming          Govan            Harris, J.
Haskins          Herdklotz        Hodges
Huff             Hutson           Jaskwhich
Kirsh            Klauber          Knotts
Littlejohn       Marchbanks       Mason
McCraw           McElveen         McMahand
McTeer           Meacham          Moody-Lawrence
Neal             Neilson          Phillips


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Rhoad            Rice             Richardson
Robinson         Sandifer         Sharpe
Sheheen          Simrill          Smith, R.
Stoddard         Thomas           Tripp
Trotter          Vaughn           Waldrop
Walker           Wells            Whipper, S.
Wilder           Wilkins          Young, A.
Young, J.

Total--61

Those who voted in the negative are:

Askins           Bailey           Baxley
Breeland         Brown, G.        Brown, H.
Byrd             Carnell          Cave
Clyburn          Cobb-Hunter      Cotty
Cromer           Dantzler         Felder
Fulmer           Gamble           Hallman
Harrell          Harrison         Harwell
Hines            Jennings         Keegan
Kelley           Keyserling       Kinon
Koon             Law              Limbaugh
Limehouse        Lloyd            Martin
McAbee           Quinn            Riser
Rogers           Scott            Seithel
Shissias         Smith, D.        Spearman
Stille           Stuart           Tucker
Whatley          White            Wilkes
Witherspoon      Wofford          Worley
Wright

Total--52

So, the amendment was adopted.

AMENDMENT NO. 80--MOTION TO RECONSIDER TABLED

Rep. HUFF moved to reconsider the vote whereby Amendment No. 80 was adopted.

Rep. HASKINS moved to table the motion to reconsider, which was agreed to.


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