Other than that, I do not permit them and the attorneys in my circuit and
where I preside understand that. I'm just not going to engage in it.
Q. In terms of accepting gifts whether a gift is not necessarily defined as a
present, but also lunches and dinner, trips and other things, what are your
rules on that?
A. I would not accept a gift or a trip. As an example, however, if I went to
Charleston, South Carolina or Lancaster or wherever and some old friends of mine
who were lawyers who were then not appearing before me asked me to dinner, I
would go with the expectations of their hospitality would be returned by me,
but I will not accept even a luncheon engagement during a week when that
individual is appearing before me.
I think it gives the appearance of impropriety and that's my -- if a group of
lawyers in Charleston and they're very courteous down there asked me to go out
for dinner, I would -- as long as they're not appearing before me and I would to
the same in Lancaster.
Q. You report that you spent no money on campaigning for reelection and that
you've not -- because of that you have not filed any filings with the Senate or
House Ethics Committees. Does that continue to be true today?
A. Yes.
Q. You've spent no money?
A. It's absolutely true. I have no opposition, but, no, sir, I adhere to
that.
Q. And then finally, judge, in the issue of pledges, the Committee has sought
for the past year a oath from each candidate appearing before it that that
person has not sought the pledge of any one legislator prior to the completion
of the screening process?
A. I assure you that I have complied fully and faithfully with that mandate.
This Committee is trying to determine, though, if in the future Bar
Resolutions would be appropriate or not until after the screening process was
over with. And I'll include that for the record. In fact, I think our
application said that that was permissible.
A. Am I asked to comment on that?
Q. Yes, sir.
A. Well, yes, sir, I think it's appropriate quite candidly that the Bar
Associations have input into it for they are more directly effected by what we
do than anybody else. In my instance, I called the president of the Marlboro,
Dillon and Chesterfield Bar and asked that they get a majority resolution
approving my candidacy if they thought it appropriate. In Darlington, I asked
Mr. Jack Gardner, Jr. to do that. I fully intended that he just get a majority
vote and instead of that, he got some signatures. I trust that Senator Saleeby
or Mr. Baxley are not on that list, but --
Q. At least one of those persons is. I'm not going to tell you --
A. Sir?
Q. At least one of those people are on the list.
A. All right. It's not with my knowledge --
Q. I'm not going to tell you.
A. -- or consent, but inadvertence, but again I don't consider that an
endorsement or commitment quite frankly.
Q. And, Judge, that's the reason why there is some concern. There are many
practicing lawyer-legislators in trying to avoid them making that type of
commitment --
A. Had I been taking the list around, I would not have done that, but the
individual who did elected -- is Mr. Baxter's name on that?
Q. Some of the handwriting is pretty bad. I don't recognize any
legislators.
A. I know specifically not to see Mr. Saleeby or some members of the firm. Mr.
Saleeby, I trust you're not on there.
SENATOR SALEEBY: No. Being on this committee --
A. Well, it would be improper and I would not do that.
Obviously, anything you have firsthand knowledge of, the Committee wants to hear and values very much your impressions of any facts that you have if you were present at the sentencing whatever. In terms of what would be second or third hand, what would be out of that newspaper or
That would not say that you could not offer your own personal opinion as to
what is correct or incorrect about any activity on the part of Judge Cottingham,
but in terms of supporting it with facts or supporting it with statements that
you would offer as fact, if those are not of your personal knowledge and those
are someone else's, out of the newspaper or whatever, that would be hearsay.
A. Okay.
Q. I would offer you this opportunity that what I promised you awhile ago a
chance to broadly go through what -- why you're here today.
A. Okay. I would say that, yes, I am personally involved. I was a victim of
Archie Lee. My indictment does say high and aggravated assault and battery
along with misconduct in office.
This happened to me July 7th, 1992. That night before midnight I had called the FBI in Columbia. I had called the FBI in Washington, D.C. The next day I called the Rape Crises Center telling them no I was not raped, but I was sexually assaulted. Archie Lee did place his hand on my breast without my consent.
This is my body. I should make the decision who touches it and who does not. I was told by several lawyers in Horry County -- I was told by a lot of different people in Horry County, step back, shut up, this man has been doing this for years, it will make no difference.
Well, I chose not to step back. I chose not to keep my mouth shut. Within
two weeks, I wrote a letter to SLED and I wrote a letter to the Governor stating
what had happened to me and I indeed wanted to see an investigation being
done.
Q. And I take it at that point that you were one of the persons that -- one of
the first persons to file a complaint --
A. I was the first person to file a complaint.
Q. -- that resulted in his -- charges being brought up against Judge Lee. He
was a magistrate in Horry County?
A. Absolutely.
Q. And that you were that person that started the ball rolling --
A. Yes, sir.
He mentioned that Archie Lee's wife was an invalid. Well, the transcript, if you go through that, Judge Cottingham made a point to say, "So your wife is an invalid?" Archie Lee said, "No, she is not an invalid. She gets out of the house. She goes to the beauty shop. Somebody takes her grocery shopping." This woman is not an invalid.
Judge Cottingham sat here today and said who was going to take care of this
woman at night if I incarcerated Archie Lee, well, who was taking care of her
when he was out doing what he was doing to twenty some women. I don't think
that should have been brought into concern at all. No one was concerned what us
women, what our emotional state was going to be, why should we be concerned
about Archie Lee and his wife.
Q. Ms. Palmer, let me ask you this. Did you have the opportunity to cooperate
with the Solicitor's Office at
-- prior to sentencing to offer -- did they offer you any opportunity to become
involved in the judicial process? Were you called as a witness? Did they keep
you notified of everything that was happening in the trial?
A. No, actually, they did not. We were notified when the bond hearing was going
to be. We were notified when the trial was going to be. We were not notified
that Archie Lee was even going to plead no contest. We did not know that until
it was actually happening. So as far as being put up to date on what was going
on, no, we were not.
Q. Are you aware of whose responsibility that is under the law generally to keep
you notified?
A. No, I'm really not. I've heard, yes, it should have been the Solicitor's
responsibility.
Q. To keep you notified?
A. To let us know what was going on, but I think Judge Cottingham had a
responsibility in himself that he should have treated this case the same as he
would have treated the case should it have been an ordinary citizen out on the
street assaulting women. If an ordinary citizen 65 years old
It's been developed by an arm of the Supreme Court, but it is not binding.
And I have reviewed that and do find that under the facts as I understand them,
there is some merit or much merit in what Judge Cottingham says. It falls below
the line and on such that parole would be advisable. Are you aware of any other
sentence handed down by Judge Cottingham in a similar set of circumstances which
was different in terms of the punishment imposed than what was given to Judge
Lee?
A. I'm not aware of any man in Horry County being brought forth on charges like
this, whether he be a public official or an ordinary citizen other than Archie
Lee. I am aware of reports that I read in the Sun News and hopefully
that they are true and accurate reports that out of four, there was --
Q. And Ms. Palmer --
A. I cannot say that.
Q. Well, we've got the articles and I intend to make use of those, but in terms
of offering that, I have no way to make sure that's accurate and I know that
newspaper people do not make mistakes, but this would be the case where they
made the first one and I wouldn't be able to prove it was right or not right, so
I understand your point as to the newspaper and we'll take that into account,
but in terms of using that as empirical data, I just hope that we wouldn't do
that right now.
A. Okay. It just appeared that when there is a public official going before a
judge, and Judge Cottingham was one of those judges, those public officials did
get very lenient time compared to an ordinary citizen citizens.
Also with his own wording, he said that Judge Lee was a magistrate. He was a judge. He had the robe. "I hold Judge Lee to some higher standards, quite frankly, than I would the average person." This is Judge
I have to admit, I have not done it beyond going to the sentencing guidelines
grid. If we were to do that and we find this were in the range of sentences
imposed, would you -- would that sentence then become fair to you in the sense
that it fell within the range of what should have been given?
A. All right, are we talking about a range of what should have been given only
in the State of South Carolina or are we talking about nationwide?
Q. Well, unfortunately, Ms. Palmer, and fortunately in some cases, we're bound
by the law of this state. You know, folks benefit from it and they also lose by
it. Judges -- and I'm not sitting here as Judge Cottingham's advocate. I guess
I'm the advocate for any judge that has the same frustration. What you would
like to do sometimes, you're not able to do because the law binds you and that's
the law he had or any judge has to operate from.
I'm saying would it be fair in sentencing patterns and patterns in South
Carolina, if this fell within the reasonable range of sentences imposed? And I
have no idea. I'm sitting here.
A. I have no idea either. The only thing I can go on is the judge in Tennessee
who was charged with assault of three women, he received 25 years and he is
doing prison time. He did not get a $500 fine. He did not get 400 hours
community service. He got 25 years. He got his pension taken away from him
which I think is how it should be.
Q. So Ms. Palmer --
A. So I can only go by what I hear, how I feel, what I see and what I read.
Q. But if I were to say that perhaps that investigation would be possible to
check into the range of sentences available under the South Carolina law and
range typically imposed whether it be by the guidelines or by a historical
pattern and the Archie Lee sentence came back and it was within
DUIs, there are a lot of folks I would imagine in Horry County that have
driven while intoxicated before, but when they show up for trial that first
time, even if the judge knows them as a personal social friend, he's only able
to charge him with a DUI first and only able to give him that level of
sentencing. And I guess what I'm saying that's what I guess is one of the most
unfortunate parts of this situation at least from this Counsel's perspective
that all of these -- no one had ever had the intestinal fortitude you had to
complain and it must have taken a tremendous amount on your part to do it. Ms.
Palmer, I didn't mean to cut you off.
A. That's okay.
Q. Please tell the Committee any other investigation you've been able to do that
has led you to the conclusion that in some way Judge Cottingham was biased
because he had some personal relationship with Judge Lee or there was something
nefarious going on that caused him to order this because I'm willing to go look
as I said and do more investigation about